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hitler devoted most effort to the eastern front , without the russian campaign , the usa , uk etc would not have stood a chance against germany
russia did the most by a mile
Yah, the Soviets did most of the bleeding. Of course, Stalin had partnered with Nazi Germany, & Hitler had made no secret that he intended to take Ukraine & USSR territory - killing/displacing the population - to settle Aryans in a greater Eastern Germany. & Stalin purged the military of possible rivals & effective generals, purged the Soviet intel agencies for the same reason, ignored intel that showed Hitler preparing to invade the USSR.
The UK & US could have fought WWII without the USSR - but the war would have lasted longer - another two years? Which means we would have had nukes available to use in Europe. & the US would have had to have raised the 213 US Army divisions (instead of the 90 we actually committed) projected to be needed to fight in Europe (without the USSR). The 90 divisions was a gamble - that we could arm & equip & feed the Allies instead of raising & training & deploying 213 divisions (the factor was time).
See The secret war, 1939 - 1945, Max Hastings, HarperCollins, c2016. Excellent on spies & ciphers.
the US definitely lost the second World War as it lead to a permanent expansion of the Military Industrial Complex, foreign bases all over the world while the defeated countries were excluded from having a military outside of defense and actually threw that money into their infrastructure and citizens. What a concept.
Of course, Stalin had partnered with Nazi Germany, & Hitler had made no secret that he intended to take Ukraine & USSR territory - killing/displacing the population - to settle Aryans in a greater Eastern Germany. & Stalin purged the military of possible rivals & effective generals, purged the Soviet intel agencies for the same reason, ignored intel that showed Hitler preparing to invade the USSR.
Of course the "allies" rejected partnership with Soviets first, ( although it has been offered to them) BEFORE Stalin was forced by circumstances to partner with Hitler.
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The UK & US could have fought WWII without the USSR - but the war would have lasted longer - another two years? Which means we would have had nukes available to use in Europe. & the US would have had to have raised the 213 US Army divisions (instead of the 90 we actually committed) projected to be needed to fight in Europe (without the USSR). The 90 divisions was a gamble - that we could arm & equip & feed the Allies instead of raising & training & deploying 213 divisions (the factor was time).
See The secret war, 1939 - 1945, Max Hastings, HarperCollins, c2016. Excellent on spies & ciphers.
"Fought" where? On Russian territory?
Because that's where the major WWII battles were fought.
hitler devoted most effort to the eastern front , without the russian campaign , the usa , uk etc would not have stood a chance against germany
russia did the most by a mile
Not sure that I agree. They certainly paid the most, but I don't necessarily think they did the most. Their war was a home ground one, while the western allies war was a global one - big difference.
I'm not saying that the US won the war but what do you think would have happened if we had not joined the war or sustained Britain with millions of tons of food, weapons and manufacturing infrastructure?
One thing is for certain, there would have never been a western threat for the Germans on the continent.
And what would have happened if the British didn't defeat the Germans in the Battle of Britain or fight on alone from 39 to 41? (yes the war was 39-45 NOT 41-45)
One thing is for certain, there would have never been a western threat for the Germans on the continent.
You give zero credit to Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders etc etc too I see.
US air superiority won WWII. Those that want to come up with other reason, good for you, not reality.
Russian troops were instrumental in the east. After the war, the US established itself as the dominant world power in military, technology and economic matters. Russia established itself as the alternative to capitalism and the 2nd power in the world militarily. Germany & Japan have succeeded after the world due to US assistance and protecting them so they don't have to pay for their defense.
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US air superiority won WWII. Those that want to come up with other reason, good for you, not reality.
Russian troops were instrumental in the east. After the war, the US established itself as the dominant world power in military, technology and economic matters. Russia established itself as the alternative to capitalism and the 2nd power in the world militarily. Germany & Japan have succeeded after the world due to US assistance and protecting them so they don't have to pay for their defense.
The work of people such as Alan Turing, Tommy Flowers, Bill Tutte, Gordon Welchman and numerous others at Bletchley Park is said to have shortened WW2 by two years. The worlds first programmable computer was developed at Bletchley Park during WW2.
As for other British techological advances they included aircraft design, the jet engine (Frank Whittle), the bouncing bomb Barnes Wallis, the Hedghog Anti Submarine Device, Antobiotics and contributed to Atomic theory through the work of John Dalton at the University of Manchester, who was known as the father of modern chemistry and of atomic theory.
Other breakthroughs in relation to Atomic Theory at Manchester University included the discovery of the atomic nucleus in 1911, Henry Moseley's physical explanation of the different properties of chemical elements and the consequent Rutherford-Bohr model of the atom in 1915, and the 'splitting of the atom' in 1919 by Ernest Rutherford and his team.
The other members of the Manchester team included Hans Geiger (co-inventor of the Geiger counter), Georg Halevy (radioactive tracers), Ernest Marsden (atomic nucleus) and James Chadwick (a Manchester student who later discovered the neutron).
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As for the Air Campaign not only did the RAF sucessfully acheive air superiority during the Battle of Britain but also went on to play a pivotal role in the later bombing campaign over Europe.
The first radar (Radio Detection and Ranging) technology was developed in the 1930s by Robert Watson Watt and Arnold Wilkins, as the threat of aerial bombardment became very real.
During WW2 it would indeed become critical. Historians say the Battle of Britain may have been decided by the British reliance on its radar defense systems, and Germany’s decision to focus on bombing cities, rather than taking out the stations along the coastline.
As a result, Britain was able to spot German bombers while they were up to 100 miles away, focus their smaller aerial forces and even-up the numerical disadvantage.
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It would have been a bitter war, though
