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Old 03-20-2017, 05:56 AM
 
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I don't think that concern is justified. Do they segregate themselves, or does mainstream middle class society impose segregation upon them? Like the banlieues, and other public housing or housing for new immigrants, when it is set off apart from the rest of a city? Part of the reason Canada's had relative success at integrating immigrants from a wide range of backgrounds, is that the kids are mingling at the same schools with non-immigrant kids. They become familiar with diversity that way, and don't carry the baggage of fearing other cultures, religions, etc....
It's between those two views.

I agree that public housing placement has contributed towards segregation, but some immigrant groups are less interested in the new opportunities provided to them. Groups who are more interested do better in the West, and the reason for that is their values.

Obviously there are determined people from every group and I respect that, but I'm just generalising according to what I've observed.

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Old 03-20-2017, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Scotland
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Did you start a thread in the UK forum questioning the actions of some aggressive Muslims?
Yes but I don't exaggerate. Some very aggressive white nationalists out there also.
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Old 03-20-2017, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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If people want to throw around anecdotes, then I might as well share St. Louis'. The city and larger metro area took in tens of thousands of Muslim Bosnian refugees during the 90s. Today, the area has the largest Bosnian population outside of Bosnia, and they're fully integrated into the larger metro area. They turned around some dilapidated parts of the city, and according to a St. Louis University study, on average they earn higher salaries, are better educated, and are more likely to run their own business than their peers in St. Louis. The study concluded that St. Louis' economy would have been better off today had the city continued to receive more immigrants.
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Old 03-20-2017, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I actually don't believe it's the former, although granted, most immigrant communities of any religion or ethnicity tend to gravitate towards certain neighbourhoods when they first arrive in a new country... Chinatowns, Little Italy, Greektown, etc., but that's temporary, and only rarely do people stay in the same ethnic neighbourhood where their great-grandparents first settled in the U.S....the rule is to integrate and assimilate, over time.

I don't see much, if any, self-segregation where I live. Sorry, but it's true.
Mind you, this is something of an oversimplification. Much of the US remains highly segregated by race and socio-economic class no matter one's immigration status.
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:05 PM
 
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Mind you, this is something of an oversimplification. Much of the US remains highly segregated by race and socio-economic class no matter one's immigration status.
Actually the US is mostly segregated by socio-economics regardless of immigration status, just like Canada is. Any racial segregation is voluntary at this juncture.
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Actually the US is mostly segregated by socio-economics regardless of immigration status, just like Canada is. Any racial segregation is voluntary at this juncture.
A lot of cities and metro areas are still dealing with the fallout from white flight (hell, some places still have white flight going on) and other forms of racial segregation from decades ago, so I wouldn't call any racial segregation today solely voluntary.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:05 PM
 
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A lot of cities and metro areas are still dealing with the fallout from white flight (hell, some places still have white flight going on) and other forms of racial segregation from decades ago, so I wouldn't call any racial segregation today solely voluntary.
If black family wants to move next door, they're more than welcome to and even if I did not feel that way, it would be my tough luck. As it is, my town is about 25% minority and the vast majority of them behave and get treated like anybody else. It's a suburban culture and they endeavor to be part of it. Canada is the same way and it even has white flight too.
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:32 PM
 
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A lot of cities and metro areas are still dealing with the fallout from white flight (hell, some places still have white flight going on) and other forms of racial segregation from decades ago, so I wouldn't call any racial segregation today solely voluntary.
Actually it is 100% voluntary since people are free to move where ever they want for the most part as long as they can afford it. Nowadays most Americans are not so much concerned with racial demographics as they are with crime rates and/or the quality of the school system. For example Columbia, MD which is a suburb located in between Washington DC and Baltimore has very little white flight occurring even though large numbers of African Americans, Hispanics, and Asians are moving in because both the school system (ranked one of the best in the US) and the crime rate has remained stable.
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:55 PM
 
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Baltimore is a still a little rough. Its like philly 15 years ago.

the crab pizza at matt's pizza is amazing.
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Old 03-20-2017, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Actually it is 100% voluntary since people are free to move where ever they want for the most part as long as they can afford it. Nowadays most Americans are not so much concerned with racial demographics as they are with crime rates and/or the quality of the school system. For example Columbia, MD which is a suburb located in between Washington DC and Baltimore has very little white flight occurring even though large numbers of African Americans, Hispanics, and Asians are moving in because both the school system (ranked one of the best in the US) and the crime rate has remained stable.
We still have large banks being prosecuted for redlining in the 21st century, and you're going to state that all of America's segregation is 100% voluntary? Ok.
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