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Old 11-09-2016, 09:27 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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bewilderment.
Awe.
shock.
confounding.

Forces opposed to the trump program are marshaling their forces to shut him down. Trump's got a real battle on his hand if he's really serious (..a big IF) about curbing Capital in favour of Labour.
How could he be serious? He's the quintessential capitalist, and he's never favored American labor. He's been one of the main exploiters of the H1b visa loophole, importing thousands of Romanians to work in his hotels and other enterprises. He has a recruiting office in Bucharest. Anyone who voted for him in the delusional belief (against all evidence) that he's for labor and the little guy will have a rude awakening soon enough.
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Old 11-09-2016, 09:43 AM
 
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I was all for O'Malley, but I wasn't given that choice, not even in the primaries. I felt that the Dem debates were hijacked by Bernie & Hillary, both of whom oddly were behaving as if they'd already been chosen.

"Collectivism"? Do you mean greed vs. the common good? Well, you're certainly right that greed won last night.
Greed is what drives man to improve his lot in life. Collectivism encourages stagnation and apathy.

And yes, the Democrats have a rigged system in their primaries. A system in which super-delegates are not obligated to honor the voters' wishes.
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Old 11-09-2016, 09:52 AM
 
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Greed is what drives man to improve his lot in life. Collectivism encourages stagnation and apathy.

And yes, the Democrats have a rigged system in their primaries. A system in which super-delegates are not obligated to honor the voters' wishes.
Greed leads to Dickensian lives for the masses. It was tried, and it didn't work out. Hence, the Social Security system, and other improvements. Didn't you have parents or grandparents who lived through the Depression? It wasn't pretty.
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Old 11-09-2016, 10:01 AM
 
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Greed leads to Dickensian lives for the masses. It was tried, and it didn't work out. Hence, the Social Security system, and other improvements. Didn't you have parents or grandparents who lived through the Depression? It wasn't pretty.
Both lived through it and both say that it was not pretty. Unrestrained greed can be dangerous, but the concept of an individual being more productive and innovative when it benefits his or her self first and foremost is undeniable.
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Old 11-09-2016, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Sweden
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So how do non-Americans living outside the USA view the election of Donald Trump as the next American president?
It is not possible to say without insulting people.
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Old 11-09-2016, 10:16 AM
 
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Both lived through it and both say that it was not pretty. Unrestrained greed can be dangerous, but the concept of an individual being more productive and innovative when it benefits his or her self first and foremost is undeniable.
I take it you're hunky-dory with the Bush tax cuts. (You keep forcing me to read in-between the lines, lol! ) You're fine with a failing infrastructure, runaway higher education costs, stagnant wages or even backsliding wages? You got yours, so to heck with everybody else. Charming. But tell me this: who's going to buy American manufactured goods when most workers are no longer able to make a living wage, and when the ranks of the unemployed and homeless become overwhelming?

Oh, that's right; American doesn't manufacture anything anymore, hardly; Wal-Mart will expand to shower everyone with cheap Chinese cr@p. But...wasn't your candidate for bringing manufacturing back home to America?
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Old 11-09-2016, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Brazil
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Good Morning America
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Old 11-09-2016, 10:40 AM
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Location: California
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The Democratic Party brought this upon themselves. Instead of listening to the frustrated masses, they ridiculed Trump supporters, probably inciting more voters for him. They should've crushed Trump showing constantly what a POS he is, instead of some lame-ass "stronger together" BS.

Bernie would've crushed Trump beyond belief.
What we had in part was a rebellion (white backlash) of the white working class who are not doing well economically, who are fearful of the changing demographics(they view this as an assault on American culture), and are mad as hell that the government isn't working. They are mad as hell about the trade agreements which has left them poorer and some are mad as hell the USA has been bogged down in wars. Trump became an effective spokesperson for their anger and fear and is proposing(to drain the swamp) make government work. Hillary wasn't offering a damn thing other than her resume and lets all hold hands. A damn shame I suspect he's either a brilliant tactician or a hot mess.(Either way I don't trust this guy he holds grudges, has a long memory and believes in winning at all cost).
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Old 11-09-2016, 10:48 AM
Status: ""If you kill your enemies, they win."" (set 1 hour ago)
 
Location: Estonia
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Don't be ridiculous. WW3 is the furthest thing from anyone's mind over here. The only one talking about WW3 is Putin, via Pravda. Why do you buy that propaganda, that's the question. You're not even Russian, you're Estonian, right?
So this US general for example works for the Pravda?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmE9Jj-rEVs

Hillary has said many times that she would definitely be for a no fly zone over Syria. Ofc the MSM was reluctant to cover it as it wouldn't have been good for Hillary. Even Obama didn't support the no fly zone.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:07 AM
Status: ""If you kill your enemies, they win."" (set 1 hour ago)
 
Location: Estonia
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Greed leads to Dickensian lives for the masses. It was tried, and it didn't work out. Hence, the Social Security system, and other improvements. Didn't you have parents or grandparents who lived through the Depression? It wasn't pretty.
I disagree with you completely. The non-greed approach always leads to piles of bodies.

Milton Friedman also disagrees with you on greed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG8hAULqUOw
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