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Old 11-09-2016, 12:14 PM
 
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We can't underestimate the effect of voter list purges that took place in the months leading up to the elections. One of the Trump people involved in this was interviewed on radio, along with a lawyer who said it was illegal to do that within 90 days of an election..
Those "crosscheck" voter lists right? Evil stuff. Heard that Ohio didn't even turn on the auditing security feature on their brand new voting machines. Republican judge shot down that request. Who turns off auditing on what is basically a computer?

Strongly disagree with you on Bernie though. Voted for him in the primary and he would have destroyed Donald. Trump did what Romney should have done against Obama...go left on some economic issues. Democratic party is now "Republican lite" and got what they deserved. Only problem is the rest of us have to suffer along with them.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:18 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Well I think in retrospect, Bernie would have prevailed but not by much. The candidates that don't get the nomination always look better than the ones that do by the time the election rolls around - they've haven't been bloodied by the political process. As for the Clinton camp insulting Trump supporters, have you ever visited the politics forum? The hardcore Trump supporters (the true believers not necessarily the ones who voted for him for economic reasons) spew a consistent and vitriolic stream at liberals, Obama, Clinton, Democrats, and anyone who doesn't share their views. Once comment about "deplorables" hardly compares.
Bernie was way more soft spoken but he got his word out at the same time and was really passionate, he could have easily won the upper midwest, pennslyvania and all of northeast... he would of course win the west coast, new mexico and colorado... which would make him win the election without Ohio and Florida... why the Democrat voters picked Hillary Clinton???? idk

This will hopefully encourage higher voter turnout in our next primary election
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:18 PM
 
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I suspect he's either a brilliant tactician or a hot mess..
He is both. Will be interesting to see what he does with those trade agreements as I personally believe he only said that stuff to get elected. As a global capitalist those trade agreements have benefited him and others of his class. I find it hard to believe he would dismantle them but it will be a wild ride if he attempts to.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:22 PM
 
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If I were from USA, I would be a moderate republican. But given the options Trump and Hillary Clinton - a ridiculous boaster and the american version of Dilma Rousseff - I wouldn't even waste my time voting on either, both are equally depressing. For Brazil, I think it would change anything. As Brazil has no diplomatic issues with USA, the only concern is about trade between both countries.
I'm sorry, I'm no super Hillary Clinton fan, but Dilma Rousseff and Hillary Clinton have nothing in common.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Fort Collins, USA
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We can't underestimate the effect of voter list purges that took place in the months leading up to the elections. One of the Trump people involved in this was interviewed on radio, along with a lawyer who said it was illegal to do that within 90 days of an election. Also, many voting machines registered the opposite candidate for President to the one voters tried to enter on the machine. (News reports last night didn't specify if that problem favored a certain candidate, but take a guess....) So we'll find out (hopefully) more about this later in the week. A Congressional investigation afterwards discovered that Kerry had won the election nationally.

In the Bush/Kerry election, ALL voting machines in rural Hispanic and Native American precincts in NM (which is nearly 50% Hispanic and 10% Native American) registered a blank for those voting for Kerry. Hispanics are about 85% Democrat, and ALL Native Americans voted for Kerry, because he has an exceptionally strong record in Indian affairs in general. A group of Hispanic voters sued the state of New Mexico for their stolen votes, all was proven in court, and NM is no longer allowed to use voting machines as a result. NM voted for Clinton. So don't think the same thing couldn't happen in other states, targeting Black, Hispanic and Native voters. Jimmy Carter said after the Bush/Kerry election that he'd been an observer/monitor to 3rd World elections that were much more fair and more transparent than that one.

So you can see that Bernie wouldn't have crushed Trump. No Democrat would have crushed him, not even Elizabeth Warren, who works very strongly in Congress for working-class people, common laborers and the poor. Because the Party of Voter Suppression has been working very hard in each election since Bush to neutralize the Dem. vote. But also, many Democrats wouldn't have voted for Bernie. I'm not going to vote for some fool who says he's a Socialist, no way, no how. Sorry.
I didn't agree with this when Trump said it before the election and I don't agree now that he has won. There's been no credible evidence of voter fraud in the US. Personally, I don't believe Trump can govern effectively - I'm not even sure what most of his positions are (particularly on foreign policy). The question now is more about how much damage he can do domestically and on the world stage and if the checks and balances in our republic are strong enough to prevent the worst of it.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:25 PM
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100%. Just terrible. Imagine that now a UN Security Council with seats for Trump, Putin, Farage, Marine Le Pen and Chinese Communist Party is very possible, scary
Very scary indeed, although I doubt that Farage or even Le Pen will ever make it.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:31 PM
 
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What we had in part was a rebellion (white backlash) of the white working class who are not doing well economically, who are fearful of the changing demographics(they view this as an assault on American culture), and are mad as hell that the government isn't working. They are mad as hell about the trade agreements which has left them poorer and some are mad as hell the USA has been bogged down in wars. Trump became an effective spokesperson for their anger and fear and is proposing(to drain the swamp) make government work. Hillary wasn't offering a damn thing other than her resume and lets all hold hands. A damn shame I suspect he's either a brilliant tactician or a hot mess.(Either way I don't trust this guy he holds grudges, has a long memory and believes in winning at all cost).
This- but I think what also really affected HC was the Bernie Sanders fiasco and many independent voters. Also, the increase in healthcare costs.

Also, there was a substancial amount of non-Whites who voted for Trump, look at Florida. He barely won but he got enough-.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:49 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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This- but I think what also really affected HC was the Bernie Sanders fiasco and many independent voters. Also, the increase in healthcare costs.

Also, there was a substancial amount of non-Whites who voted for Trump, look at Florida. He barely won but he got enough-.
Thank you for noticing, this election wasn't a race war like the media wanted it to be...

Trump won more Hispanic votes than the Republican contender Mitt Romney did last election.

Working class America is a really diverse group (racially) but they were all united at the voting booths yesterday.
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:02 PM
 
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I am surprised at your attitude after all of Donald Trump's racist comments.


I don't care about what a people would say or have said but do care what a people will do or has done.

I did listen to some of his videos and he made compliments towards the group of high talented/ high degree Asian workers.

Trump could do everything through doing nothing. ))
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:13 PM
 
Location: South Florida
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Trump actually had his message and his goals, he won with working class Americans, Average Americans against the status quo, Conservative Americans sick of Illegal Immigration...



But i wish for the best for everyone and i hope the best for U.S and the World, and we can all chill out because i believe 3 more states just passed bills supporting legalizing Marijuana yesterday
It was an incredibly close election.
It's amazing how his followers talk like it was a landslide and all the working class voted for him.


It really scares me that so many people share his of goals of hating those with different opinions than yours, generalizing (like a 5 year old) about various groups of people, and apparently 1/2 the American voters don't care if their daughters are groped? Interesting.


That being said, we need such a major overhaul in our country... in so many ways.


Like you said...thankfully we can chill out in various states
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