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View Poll Results: Which Anglophone country do you consider "most diverse"?
Australia 5 8.93%
Canada 8 14.29%
Ireland 0 0%
New Zealand 0 0%
United Kingdom 4 7.14%
United States of America 39 69.64%
Voters: 56. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-01-2017, 10:57 PM
 
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2016 data for linguistic diversity (archived on Internet Archive: Wayback Machine)

  • Canada (0.604)

  • United States (0.346)

  • Australia (0.298)

  • New Zealand (0.291)

  • United Kingdom (0.152)

  • Ireland (0.089)

Original source: Lewis, M. Paul, Gary F. Simons, and Charles D. Fennig (eds.). 2016. Ethnologue: Languages of the World, Nineteenth edition. Dallas, Texas: SIL International. Online version: http://www.ethnologue.com.

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Old 01-01-2017, 11:06 PM
 
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2016 data for linguistic diversity (archived on Internet Archive: Wayback Machine)

  • Canada (0.604)

  • United States (0.346)

  • Australia (0.298)

  • New Zealand (0.291)

  • United Kingdom (0.152)

  • Ireland (0.089)

Original source: Lewis, M. Paul, Gary F. Simons, and Charles D. Fennig (eds.). 2016. Ethnologue: Languages of the World, Nineteenth edition. Dallas, Texas: SIL International. Online version: http://www.ethnologue.com.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:07 PM
 
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The United STATES hands down on most all counts.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:12 PM
 
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Yes. For example, for linguistic diversity more Australians than Americans speak a language other than English at home, and a far higher proportion were born into, and so have direct attachment to, a foreign culture.
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The numbers are almost exactly the same for both nations.
Most current data on linguistic diversity according to Ethnologue (based on the Greenberg diversity index):

  • Canada (0.604)

  • United States (0.346)

  • Australia (0.298)

  • New Zealand (0.291)

  • United Kingdom (0.152)

  • Ireland (0.089)

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  • Lewis, M. Paul, Gary F. Simons, and Charles D. Fennig (eds.). 2016. Ethnologue: Languages of the World, Nineteenth edition. Dallas, Texas: SIL International. Online version: http://www.ethnologue.com.

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Old 01-01-2017, 11:22 PM
 
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The most (and least) culturally diverse countries in the world | Pew Research Center

https://web.stanford.edu/group/fearo...by-Country.pdf

Ethnic fractionalization and cultural diversity scores, by region and ethnic fractionalization. Rank of Cultural Ethnic Frac. Cultural Frac. Frac. Within Region Western Europe and Japan
1 Canada 0.596 0.499 1
2 Switzerland 0.575 0.418 3
3 Belgium 0.567 0.462 2
4 Spain 0.502 0.263 6
5 USA 0.491 0.271 5
6 New Zealand 0.363 0.363 4
7 UK 0.324 0.184 9
8 France 0.272 0.251 7
9 Sweden 0.189 0.189 8
10 Ireland 0.171 0.157 10
11 Australia 0.149 0.147 11
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If you look at what the top four countries are in there, they're all countries that have "nations within the nation", and the first three are recognized as, or are at least arguably, multi-national states. With large areas of the country that are self-contained in their specificity and basically "foreign" to the rest of the country.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Most current data on linguistic diversity according to Ethnologue:

  • Canada (0.604)

  • United States (0.346)

  • Australia (0.298)

  • New Zealand (0.291)

  • United Kingdom (0.152)

  • Ireland (0.089)

Original source:

  • Lewis, M. Paul, Gary F. Simons, and Charles D. Fennig (eds.). 2016. Ethnologue: Languages of the World, Nineteenth edition. Dallas, Texas: SIL International. Online version: http://www.ethnologue.com.
Again, this obviously reflects the fact that one quarter to one fifth of Canada functions pretty much entirely in French.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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In terms of broad distinct groupings: Native American and Inuit. Of course when you break that down into individual tribes, clans or nations the number is a lot higher, but that is also the case for both Canada and Australia.

For Australia the broad groups are Tasmanian Aboriginal, mainland Aboriginal ( Tasmania was separated from the mainland by rising sea levels over 10,000 years ago) and Torres Strait islander. They're not part of the same cultural continuum. Of course, in terms of individual language and tribal groups, the number would be over 300.

Just realised I forgot about the Hawaiian population....
The break-down of aboriginal groups in Canada is much more complex than that. In Canada there are three legally recognized groupings: Inuit, Métis and First Nations. The first two can be more or less counted as "two" but the First Nations grouping (that they'd call Native American in the US) is split up into dozens of "nations", each with its own language and culture. They have a shared experience (mostly negative and tragic) as colonized aboriginal peoples but culturally and linguistically the Dene, Cree, Haidi, Micmac, Mohawks and Innu are as different as the English, Slovenians, Germans, Poles and Finns.

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Old 01-01-2017, 11:37 PM
 
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Again, this obviously reflects the fact that one quarter to one fifth of Canada functions pretty much entirely in French.
Approximately how much lower would Canada score excluding the Québécois and the Francophone population in New Brunswick?
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Approximately how much lower would Canada score excluding the Québécois and the Francophone population in New Brunswick?
It's hard to say as I haven't studied their methodology but I'd guess somewhere in between the U.S. and Australia's scores.

In terms of having large areas with a second language having a significant impact, Australia and Canada (taking out the French element) don't really have anything like the U.S. has with Spanish.

Even though the overall impact of Spanish in the U.S. is quite a bit less than French in Canada (adding it back in now).

I mean, for the purposes of this discussion, really there is 20-25% of Canada that can't even be considered as part of the "Anglosphere" in anything more than an accessory way.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:58 PM
 
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Most current data on linguistic diversity according to Ethnologue (based on the Greenberg diversity index):

  • Canada (0.604)

  • United States (0.346)

  • Australia (0.298)

  • New Zealand (0.291)

  • United Kingdom (0.152)

  • Ireland (0.089)

Source:

  • Lewis, M. Paul, Gary F. Simons, and Charles D. Fennig (eds.). 2016. Ethnologue: Languages of the World, Nineteenth edition. Dallas, Texas: SIL International. Online version: http://www.ethnologue.com.
It would be interesting to see how the granularity of official statistics impacts those results. For example, indonesia is listed as having >700 languages, but I'd be surprised if the Australian Bureau of Statistics disaggregated "Indonesian" to anywhere near that degree for immigrants from that country. I suspect they'd all be classified as simply "Indonesian". Similarly the different dialects of Arabic, or even Chinese as spoken by immigrants from the Chinese diaspora across South East Asia.

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