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That's not really low density though--those rowhouses pack people in as they're generally three to five floors (usually with a basement apartment) and connected and on blocks that are generally pretty small and have fairly narrow streets. The collective density those rowhouses end up hitting is definitely not low.
Yeah, those are not single homes, those are multiple apartments. I think I recognize that area as somewhere near Maimonides Hospital or Borough Park, Brooklyn. According to city data that area has a population density of about ~67K/sq mile. If you own an entire one of those things in Brooklyn today you're probably very wealthy.
And I don't think it's accurate at all to say that only Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn are high density. There's also The Bronx and even parts of Queens that have Manhattan-level densities. Not to mention many other parts of BK outside the greater DTBK area.
Seoul City Density- 42,000ppsm
New York Density- 28,000 ppsm
I understand urbanity isn't all in Density, but for a place to be Urban, Density is often needed or a result of it.
Yeah, those are not single homes, those are multiple apartments. I think I recognize that area as somewhere near Maimonides Hospital or Borough Park, Brooklyn. According to city data that area has a population density of about ~67K/sq mile. If you own an entire one of those things in Brooklyn today you're probably very wealthy.
And I don't think it's accurate at all to say that only Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn are high density. There's also The Bronx and even parts of Queens that have Manhattan-level densities. Not to mention many other parts of BK outside the greater DTBK area.
Suburban New York is even less dense than suburban Los Angeles.
Suburban New York is even less dense than suburban Los Angeles.
I never said anything about suburbs. Im talking about the city. You are aware that Brooklyn, The Bronx, and Queens are not suburbs right? They are part of NYC city limits.
I never said anything about suburbs. Im talking about the city. You are aware that Brooklyn, The Bronx, and Queens are not suburbs right? They are part of NYC city limits.
He understands that, I just think he includes the suburban s of NYC into the discussion and when you do that it is pretty obvious Seoul is more urban as much of their “suburbs” are just as dense satellite cities.
He understands that, I just think he includes the suburban s of NYC into the discussion and when you do that it is pretty obvious Seoul is more urban as much of their “suburbs” are just as dense satellite cities.
Ok that makes sense. I was just confused because of the post they quoted me on.
I recently visited Seoul for a few days. On paper, it would seem that Seoul *should* be "busier" and "more overwhelming" because it has a more populous and dense city proper and (by most accounts) a larger metro population. However, unless it was just some weird off week for Seoul, NYC definitely seems to be the busier city overall. I was quite surprised about how tame Seoul seems in comparison. I think part of this stems partly from Manhattan's absurdly high density, but also because Seoul just gets far fewer tourists and visitors overall than NYC.
That said, I don't think I have ever seen a city anywhere with as many highrises as Seoul. Pretty impressive.
Well I like both cities, however while NYC feels more overwhelming and diverse, Seoul is much bigger but does not have a "real" center. I like city that have ONE center of everything, like Manhattan Times Square where you just feel that you are in the middle of the city. In Seoul you have so many different "sub-centers" such as Gangnam or City-Hall area or several shopping or dining districts (I love Insadong) but there is no place where you can really see that you are in the middle of the city. Sometimes you just take the Metro for 45 min and are still somewhere in the middle of the city.
However Seoul is much more modern, less overpriced, much cleaner and safer and overall a very nice place to be.
I actually like that Seoul doesn't have one true center, as it means that every part of the city has something that works as a CBD. I like the New York model too, they both have advantages and disadvantages
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