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Old 03-20-2017, 03:55 PM
 
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Lol no.
I live in the Asia Pacific. For countries like France, Germany, Russia and UK..its pretty much 'out of sight, out of mind'. Countries like south Korea, Japan or Indonesia are far more significant in this part of the world.
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:12 PM
 
Location: EU27
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I live in the Asia Pacific. For countries like France, Germany, Russia and UK..its pretty much 'out of sight, out of mind'. Countries like south Korea, Japan or Indonesia are far more significant in this part of the world.
I live in Northern Europe and countries like China are pretty much 'out of sight, out of mind'. Countries like Sweden are far more more significant in these parts.

But I wouldn't claim that China wouldn't be a major power.
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:21 PM
 
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I live in Northern Europe and countries like China are pretty much 'out of sight, out of mind'. Countries like Sweden are far more more significant in these parts.

But I wouldn't claim that China wouldn't be a major power.
But China is significant "globally", while the other aren't.

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Old 03-20-2017, 04:36 PM
 
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But China is significant "globally", while the other aren't.
Well, I don't know about your corner or how much you know about the world, but so long as the UK and France are permanent members in the UN security council, are the 5th and 6th largest economies on the planet and a part of G7, and can nuke any non-nuke country to the stone age, they are global powers with massive influence.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:02 PM
 
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Well, I don't know about your corner or how much you know about the world, but so long as the UK and France are permanent members in the UN security council, are the 5th and 6th largest economies on the planet and a part of G7, and can nuke any non-nuke country to the stone age, they are global powers with massive influence.

Sounds a bit defensive But have you ever lived outside Europe or its immediate neighbors?
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Brazil
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There are only 6-7 countries in the world (or 10-11 at most if you go for a more loose approach) that could be labeled as "major powers", and not a single SH country is among them.
What would be these 10-11? And why Brazil wouldn't be part of it?

What does exist is the G20, with Brazil, Argentina, South Africa, Indonesia and Australia in Southern Hemisphere. Actually the president of Argentina is the next chairman.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:30 PM
 
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Sounds a bit defensive But have you ever lived outside Europe or its immediate neighbors?
No, but does it matter?
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Old 03-20-2017, 06:19 PM
 
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No, but does it matter?
It gives you a different perspective.

Britain pretty much gave up any remaining ambition to be a global power in the late 1960's, when withdrawal from East of the Suez became government policy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_of_Suez It was probably earlier for France, with 1954 signalling the end of its ability to project power across its pre-WWII empire, followed up by losses in Algeria and elsewhere: https://history.state.gov/milestones.../dien-bien-phu

Do either of them genuinely want to be global powers today? Probably not. Even their nuclear deterrent forces are essentially centred on cold war realities of the 1950s to 80s. WWII was a turning point for both, and for the age of European global powers.
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Scotland
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What would be these 10-11? And why Brazil wouldn't be part of it?
Because Brazil wouldn't crack top 25 never mind 10 most powerful countries.

10. United Arab Emirates — The UAE is one of the world's largest importers of arms and, after Saudi Arabia, has the second-largest defence budget of any of the Arab states.

9. Saudi Arabia — Saudi Arabia's oil reserves have allowed the country to become one of the wealthiest and most powerful nations in the Middle East. The gulf state has long been viewed as a close ally of the US, the UK, and other Western nations.

8. Israel — For a country with a population of just over 8 million, Israel has an outsize influence on the world stage. Despite its ongoing Palestinian conflict, the Jewish nation has a strong economy and a high level of education and per capita income for its citizens.

7. Japan — One of the most technologically advanced nations, Japan boasts the world's third-largest economy.

6. France — With a GDP per capita of $42,384 (£34,581), France boasts one of the largest economies in Europe and is one of the world's top exporters of weapons. Its influence extends around the world through its science, politics, economics and perhaps above all, culture.

5. Germany — Often seen as the economic powerhouse of Europe, the continent's most populous nation has seen its role on the world stage become increasingly important since reunification in 1990.

4. United Kingdom — The United Kingdom is a highly developed nation that exerts considerable international economic, political, scientific and cultural influence.

3. China — The rise of China is quite remarkable. Home to 1.4 billion people, the country already has the world's largest military, and experts predict it will be the world's largest economy by 2050.

2. Russia — Russia capitalised on its natural resources to become one of the world's wealthiest nations. Its military spending as a percentage of its GDP continues to outstrip that of countries within NATO by a considerable distance. It currently spends 5.4% of its annual GDP on defence — the closest a NATO country comes by comparison is the US, which spends 3.3%.

1. United States — It's economic, political, cultural, and artistic influence shapes the world, and a mammoth defence budget of about $600 billion (£494 billion) and its leading economy put it at the top.
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Old 03-21-2017, 07:25 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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Because Brazil wouldn't crack top 25 never mind 10 most powerful countries.
To be fair, Brazil is a power in the context of Latin America and has an important influence in Africa, but in other parts of the world it's a middle power. And most of the competitiveness of Brazil rely on commodities. Brazil has, in fact, a good potential for developing other industries. It doesn't happen because of the socialist nature of the Brazilian state.
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