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Old 06-19-2017, 08:40 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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Brazil has two rival groups of rebels anti-establishment - one left-wing and another right-wing. They don't call themselves with a proper name but they blame each other calling pejoratively with the name of a food. The right-wing ones are called "coxinhas" by the left-wing ones, and these are called "mortadelas" by the other part.

Interestingly, all of them support a bulk of ideologies at the same time. Typical "coxinhas" want lawful weapons ownership, are supporters of free market capitalism, are adherents of christian churches (mostly protestant) and in many cases want to restore the monarchy. They blame the corruption of the state, praise policeman and brazilian army, and think that the law is very flaw toward criminals. Their motto is: "human rights for righteous humans".

On the other hand, "mortadelas" blame capitalism all the time, are supporters of LGBT and reserves for black people in the universities and public service positions, want high taxes in change of public services and rights to the workers, especially to rich people - for them, entrepeneurs are people wanting only to enrich enslaving the workers. They also often think that criminals are victims of the capitalism and the state should be merciful towards them. In general they support Dilma Rousseff and are fans of Nicolás Maduro and Fidel Castro, stating that all the misery of their countries are lies told by the "capitalist media".
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Old 06-19-2017, 09:10 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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Brazil has two rival groups of rebels anti-establishment - one left-wing and another right-wing. They don't call themselves with a proper name but they blame each other calling pejoratively with the name of a food. The right-wing ones are called "coxinhas" by the left-wing ones, and these are called "mortadelas" by the other part.

Interestingly, all of them support a bulk of ideologies at the same time. Typical "coxinhas" want lawful weapons ownership, are supporters of free market capitalism, are adherents of christian churches (mostly protestant) and in many cases want to restore the monarchy. They blame the corruption of the state, praise policeman and brazilian army, and think that the law is very flaw toward criminals. Their motto is: "human rights for righteous humans".

On the other hand, "mortadelas" blame capitalism all the time, are supporters of LGBT and reserves for black people in the universities and public service positions, want high taxes in change of public services and rights to the workers, especially to rich people - for them, entrepeneurs are people wanting only to enrich enslaving the workers. They also often think that criminals are victims of the capitalism and the state should be merciful towards them. In general they support Dilma Rousseff and are fans of Nicolás Maduro and Fidel Castro, stating that all the misery of their countries are lies told by the "capitalist media".
I see that you're a coxinha.
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Old 06-19-2017, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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wait you can find mortadella in Brasil ?
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Old 06-19-2017, 10:24 AM
 
Location: God's Gift to Mankind for flying anything
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Old Time Parents - Rebels without a cause (many would identify)
Modern Children - Rebels without a clue (most would say *huh* ?)
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Old 06-19-2017, 10:37 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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wait you can find mortadella in Brasil ?
Yes, and it is very common.
The Workers' Party, same of Lula and Dilma Rousseff, is often accused of "buying" the support of humble people to fill the protests, giving them in exchange a mortadella sandwich, which is a common meal of the working classes in Brazil, while in fact these people don't understand even the reason for the protests. Hence the nickname "mortadela".
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Old 06-19-2017, 11:07 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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... shifted over time ...

Those involved in the counter culture movements of a generation or two ago now hold positions of authority in the west, and their "question everything" mantra seems to have been quietly and discreetly abandoned during that transition.

... what counts as the status quo and what do you define as counter culture?

Here is a quotation from an Italian politician in the 1980s, head of the so-called Socialist Party at the time.
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“ … There are no credible alternatives to the spoils system. Even the most concentrated and authoritative power will get screwed up around the struggle for the spoils … experience shows that it is a long-term reality, except for the blind, the imbeciles, and the naïve. Almost always those who make propaganda against the spoils system are nothing but aspiring dispensers of the spoils themselves. Once they gain power, they transform their efforts into the most callous struggle to get their share of the spoils too …”

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I've been spending this afternoon pondering the statement above.
Maybe this statement will help clarify your thoughts as you ponder.

By the way, he was driven from his country - as we live by the sword - in the 1990s, and died in exile.

Good Luck!
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Old 06-19-2017, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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Yes, and it is very common.
The Workers' Party, same of Lula and Dilma Rousseff, is often accused of "buying" the support of humble people to fill the protests, giving them in exchange a mortadella sandwich, which is a common meal of the working classes in Brazil, while in fact these people don't understand even the reason for the protests. Hence the nickname "mortadela".
that is funny because the name was strange to be honest, especially when looking at it from here, the home-city of mortadella.
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