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Old 05-17-2017, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Buenos Aires and La Plata, ARG
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No, we have already discussed the topic many times here. In my point of view, to be a superpower, a nation must be hegemonic in the sum of 5-6 items: economic, social, cultural, technologic, militar, and maybe political (because this last one can be seen as a byproduct of doing good in the other five).
China is only close to the US economically and politically, and could lead the former in the medium term, we'll see what happens soon. In all the others item, is still way below, wich doesn't take away the fact of its fast rising, maybe the fastest ever seen, thanks to the fast pace of our era.

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The US still dominates the world in technology, innovation, military, highest GDP. Illegal immigration is dragging the US down...Trump has stemmed the tide with a 70% reduction in illegal immigration.

China has 4 times the population of the US and should pass the US in GDP in the coming years....which means they will have achieved 1/4th the productivity of US labor. China's military and technology still trail the US in a significant way. China also has some serious problems of pollution and the 1 child policy means they will have an imbalance in workers versus retirees in the coming decades.

IMO, Europe has started a downward spiral or at least stagnation. Who knows how they will come out of it or if.
lol, a nation made basically by immigrants, "dragged by immigration"? that suprematist flawed logic still making noise out there?
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Old 05-17-2017, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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lol, a nation made basically by immigrants, "dragged by immigration"? that suprematist flawed logic still making noise out there?
Aren't illegal immigrants in the U.S doing the menial jobs a lot of the natives aren't doing
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:29 PM
 
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Aren't illegal immigrants in the U.S doing the menial jobs a lot of the natives aren't doing
Who does that work in Canada? [hint: robots]

why doesn't your country except all our illegals if you love them so much more than the natives
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Old 05-17-2017, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Who does that work in Canada? [hint: robots]

why doesn't your country except all our illegals if you love them so much more than the natives
actually robots are replacing the old school manufacturing jobs that Trump promises a lot of his base that he's gonna get back for them [hint: he won't because of said robots]

As for the second part of your post - geography.. It is harder coming from south/central America to Canada than into the States obviously. That said, since Trump has become elected we've been getting a lot more crossing illegally into Canada from the U.S.
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Old 05-18-2017, 12:34 AM
 
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actually robots are replacing the old school manufacturing jobs that Trump promises a lot of his base that he's gonna get back for them [hint: he won't because of said robots]

As for the second part of your post - geography.. It is harder coming from south/central America to Canada than into the States obviously. That said, since Trump has become elected we've been getting a lot more crossing illegally into Canada from the U.S.
I think what he's getting at is, would Canadians - in principle - be content to receive the same volume of illegal migration from Central America that the US enjoyed prior to the current administration?
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Old 05-18-2017, 01:08 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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I think what he's getting at is, would Canadians - in principle - be content to receive the same volume of illegal migration from Central America that the US enjoyed prior to the current administration?
It is a different comparison. Canada has 1/9th the population of the U.S so no, it wouldn't be able to accommodate the number of illegal immigrants that the U.S has historically received. It is an economy of about 1/10th the size of the U.S as well. It does take in quite a bit more legal immigrants on a per capita basis than the U.S. So the short answer is in principle no, Canadians would not want the same volume of illegal immigration or even on a representative scale. However, we'd also have to be realistic about what the current state of affairs would be in a situation like that and determine what impact to our economy mass deportation would represent. Illegal immigration in the U.S didn't just happen overnight and has occurred during both Republican and Democratic governments for decades. There may have been some very practical reasons why the U.S allowed illegal immigration to be sort of silently accepted behind the scenes.

That all said, the number of illegal immigrants in the U.S has been declining for years well before Trump. The height was actually during the G.W Bush years but has been in steady decline for almost a decade. A big factor in that is Mexico's economy has improved greatly (which makes Trump's approach towards NAFTA, the Wall and tough talk with neighbours including and especially Mexico all the more puzzling). A prosperous Mexico is good for stemming of not only illegal immigrants from Mexico but also Central and S.A. The Mexicans have been pretty good at stopping illegal immigration flows to the U.S but the deteriorating relations with a new President who seemingly isn't great at dealing with facts, foreign relations and the truth doesn't help and may actually be counter productive to the stated goal in the long run.

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Old 05-18-2017, 01:15 AM
 
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in principle no.
That is all you needed to say. I don't think bringing up past trends of illegal migration is really relevant to the question.
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Old 05-18-2017, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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That is all you needed to say. I don't think bringing up past trends of illegal migration is really relevant to the question.
Simple answers to complex questions never work. You think you asked a simple question but you didn't. Simple solutions to complex problems won't help a country either. Ignoring things to make a point is rather pointless as well.
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Old 05-18-2017, 01:25 AM
 
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Simple answers to complex questions never work. You think you asked a simple question but you didn't. Simple solutions to complex situations won't help a country either.
It's a fairly simple question within the framework of a complex issue that only needs a simple answer.

Don't assume people don't understand the nuances or complexities of the topic. The problem is that much of your post is irrelevant rhetoric or is there just to obfuscate the answer.


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Old 05-18-2017, 01:32 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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It's a fairly simple question within the framework of a complex issue that only needs a simple answer.

Don't assume people don't understand the nuances or details of the complex, or are unable to spot rhetoric that is irrelevant to or obfuscate the answer.
You haven't really gotten into anything other than the simple here. You asked me a question and I answered as best I could. This is a discussion forum not a court where you dictate yes or no answers with yes or no questions. If you don't like or agree with my answer i'm totally fine with that. I'm also fine with any country doing what it desires with its borders. It is the sovereign right of any nation to do that. All i'm saying is when it comes to the U.S' border with Mexico - it has not been and is not simple.
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