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Old 06-03-2017, 09:35 PM
 
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What a mystery to figure out Kazakhstan’s dilemma with not developing their own sea resort utopia. A severe lack of major cities, wanting above one million people for each urban area, hopefully extra luxury hotel accommodations eventually occurring. Aktau isn’t even close to these Global urbanite levels judging by the pictures. Atyrau might reach close to borderline status of making something truly worthwhile. Even for far away travels to a foreigner. Is this entirely Russia’s fault with the major deficiencies of the Kazakhstan Caspian Sea?
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:38 PM
 
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Well it's not just Kazakhstan, it's all of the countries on the Caspian coast that don't have major cities, the only exceptions are Baku and Makhachkala, the rest are either inland such as Astrakhan or are just large towns such as Aktau, what is actually more surprising is why doesn't Iran have major cities on its coast? The Persians are an ancient civilization and this region has the most hospitable climate, its odd that would settle more inland. There is Rasht with over 600,000 people but it's still a bit inland similar to Astrakhan. Now going back to Kazakhstan it's actually thanks to the Russians/Soviets that Kazakhstan even has any major cities because in ancient times these people were nomads, but it's also thanks to the soviets that Aktau didn't develop into a large city because it was a secret city, its where they mined for uranium. However this city has a bright future because of the oil industry (Caspian sea has large oil deposits) and it will develop into major port city, which will ship goods to and from Baku thanks to the Russian sanctions there are certain goods that can't travel through Russia such as European Cheese.
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:53 PM
 
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You also might want to look into Awaza, Turkmenistan, it is their version of Atlantic City, NJ, if you look on google maps you will see a bunch of new hotels hugging the coast.
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Old 06-09-2017, 09:24 PM
 
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Well it's not just Kazakhstan, it's all of the countries on the Caspian coast that don't have major cities, the only exceptions are Baku and Makhachkala, the rest are either inland such as Astrakhan or are just large towns such as Aktau, what is actually more surprising is why doesn't Iran have major cities on its coast? The Persians are an ancient civilization and this region has the most hospitable climate, its odd that would settle more inland. There is Rasht with over 600,000 people but it's still a bit inland similar to Astrakhan. Now going back to Kazakhstan it's actually thanks to the Russians/Soviets that Kazakhstan even has any major cities because in ancient times these people were nomads, but it's also thanks to the soviets that Aktau didn't develop into a large city because it was a secret city, its where they mined for uranium. However this city has a bright future because of the oil industry (Caspian sea has large oil deposits) and it will develop into major port city, which will ship goods to and from Baku thanks to the Russian sanctions there are certain goods that can't travel through Russia such as European Cheese.
Baku Azerbaijan is usually the only objectively hypnotically alluring major city on the entire Caspian Sea currently. What a surprise for such desirable ultra exotic fantasy sea occasionally seeming imaginary unknown to others. Having to establish the basic building blocks of infrastructure further. Especially to Kazakhstan, Iran, Turkmenistan. Yeah, mutual observations with the confusing alien unconventional of Iran against stereotypical geography. Why not construct Iran right at the Caspian Sea area over there or even in the Persian Gulf? Russians are relevant to the obstructions of Kazakhstan’s mixed potential. Never too late to have a massive relocation swing towards Atyrau, or Aktau. To create another Astana or Almaty. Not buying that for the country of Russia is absolutely ruining the thriving vibrancy of Kazakhstan’s own coastline. Only a subtle to moderate factor.
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Old 06-11-2017, 08:24 PM
 
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Identical twin situation next door to Kazakhstan’s neighbor of Turkmenistan. Literally hundreds of miles in endlessly desolate territory of coastline not having any significant communities around. Turkmenistan is even higher obscure than Kazakhstan further outside of the confines towards Soviet Union USSR Russian influence. At least Aktau is causing affirmative action to these creations in the near horizons: https://kazakhstan.orexca.com/img/ka...s/aktau1-1.jpg Including an extensive rich backup of source historical stories: https://kazakhstan.orexca.com/aktau_kazakhstan.shtml

Eventual guarantee to reach sudden capitalization on rapidly growing Aktau, or Atyrau. Watch them successfully grow to major cities well past 300,000 even if never past one million people each corresponding to Almaty, Astana at the opposite sides of the sovereign republic. Roughly equal geographic distance from Moscow or their Kazakhstan equivalent capital counterparts. Unfortunate or tragic if history is never allowing maximum potential at the Kazakhstan Caspian Sea.
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Old 06-11-2017, 10:40 PM
 
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Baku Azerbaijan is usually the only objectively hypnotically alluring major city on the entire Caspian Sea currently. What a surprise for such desirable ultra exotic fantasy sea occasionally seeming imaginary unknown to others. Having to establish the basic building blocks of infrastructure further. Especially to Kazakhstan, Iran, Turkmenistan. Yeah, mutual observations with the confusing alien unconventional of Iran against stereotypical geography. Why not construct Iran right at the Caspian Sea area over there or even in the Persian Gulf? Russians are relevant to the obstructions of Kazakhstan’s mixed potential. Never too late to have a massive relocation swing towards Atyrau, or Aktau. To create another Astana or Almaty. Not buying that for the country of Russia is absolutely ruining the thriving vibrancy of Kazakhstan’s own coastline. Only a subtle to moderate factor.
Umm what? That makes no sense, why would Russia prevent Kazakhstan from developing a city on the Caspian coast? And if that were the case than Baku wouldn't exist because it used to be part of Russia/USSR as well. I told you earlier that Kazakhs used to be nomads, they were not city dwellers, it was the Russians that built the cities in Kazakhstan and the reason why they are all located in the east is because those areas have higher rainfall, you need fresh water to build a city. They are also located near the Altai mountains which I'm assuming is where all the mining is happening. Also historically it was rare to build cities right on the coast, most historical cities are built further up river such as Rome, Paris, and London so that is probably one of the reasons why cities such as Astrakhan and Rasht are not right on the coast. The only way that Russia probably played a role is that Russia developed the Black Sea coast for its resorts rather than the Caspian Sea because the Black Sea has a nicer climate. However it might be a good thing that the Caspian Sea wasn't largely developed because it would get polluted real fast, it's a closed system once the pollution enters the lake it never leaves and the Caspian already gets enough pollution from the Volga as is. Also Again you should check out Awaza, Turkminstan. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&....0.n1MB2QQBUfc
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Aw...1!4d52.8512764


http://dntours-business.com/wp-conte...menistan-1.jpg
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Old 06-16-2017, 06:34 PM
 
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Umm what? That makes no sense, why would Russia prevent Kazakhstan from developing a city on the Caspian coast? And if that were the case than Baku wouldn't exist because it used to be part of Russia/USSR as well. I told you earlier that Kazakhs used to be nomads, they were not city dwellers, it was the Russians that built the cities in Kazakhstan and the reason why they are all located in the east is because those areas have higher rainfall, you need fresh water to build a city. They are also located near the Altai mountains which I'm assuming is where all the mining is happening. Also historically it was rare to build cities right on the coast, most historical cities are built further up river such as Rome, Paris, and London so that is probably one of the reasons why cities such as Astrakhan and Rasht are not right on the coast. The only way that Russia probably played a role is that Russia developed the Black Sea coast for its resorts rather than the Caspian Sea because the Black Sea has a nicer climate. However it might be a good thing that the Caspian Sea wasn't largely developed because it would get polluted real fast, it's a closed system once the pollution enters the lake it never leaves and the Caspian already gets enough pollution from the Volga as is. Also Again you should check out Awaza, Turkminstan. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&....0.n1MB2QQBUfc
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Aw...1!4d52.8512764

http://dntours-business.com/wp-conte...menistan-1.jpg
Kazakhstan’s Caspian Sea might used to belong at the grasp of Dagestan, Kalmykia, Astrakhan. Even Volgograd. Millions of people live over there nearby in that area of Russia. Thus, diverting tons of investing resources away from the Kazakh revolving counterpart back then.

At the opposite side of the vast sovereign republic, maybe close access to China is the main hidden motives for deep feasible trading with Almaty, Astana. For the 9th highest geographic entity of a nation Only 18 million residing with that title, 6th least crowded very desolate low density out of any country on this Planet). Accordance to miles, Atyrau/Aktau of the Caspian Sea all the way to Almaty/Astana is approximately 1,770 miles/2,848 km. Exact equivalent of coverage compared to UK/Ireland to Russia! London UK To Saint Petersburg Russia.

Neighboring independent administrative area next door sounds much more promising right now with Awaza immediately adjacent to the vicinity of Turkmenistan’s 9th largest community.
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Old 06-18-2017, 05:34 PM
 
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Single cause of Kazakhstan’s extreme desolation in the Caspian Sea land territory is originally sourcing out connections to Russia USSR Soviet Union. Cross the border out of Kazakhstan into Russia tons of these communities are flourishing right by the limit of 500,000 to one million individuals each encompassing the Volga River especially. Astrakhan, Volgograd, Saratov, Samara, Ulyanovsk, Kazan, Nizhny Novgorod, Yaroslavl. Who knew for a Russian cradle of civilization!? Up to 11 out of 20 mega Russia’s major cities relevant to population count are huddling the Volga River watershed biological ecosystem. Closely adjacent to the Caspian Sea of Kazakhstan not that far out. Astonishing even more variety of major separate cities than what is surrounding Moscow or Saint Petersburg when you see a map viewing Saratov virtual compass every direction. Diverting focus away from developing what could have been far more superior realistic potential at the vicinity of Atyrau, Aktau mystical sea grasp.
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Old 06-18-2017, 08:24 PM
 
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Single cause of Kazakhstan’s extreme desolation in the Caspian Sea land territory is originally sourcing out connections to Russia USSR Soviet Union. Cross the border out of Kazakhstan into Russia tons of these communities are flourishing right by the limit of 500,000 to one million individuals each encompassing the Volga River especially. Astrakhan, Volgograd, Saratov, Samara, Ulyanovsk, Kazan, Nizhny Novgorod, Yaroslavl. Who knew for a Russian cradle of civilization!? Up to 11 out of 20 mega Russia’s major cities relevant to population count are huddling the Volga River watershed biological ecosystem. Closely adjacent to the Caspian Sea of Kazakhstan not that far out. Astonishing even more variety of major separate cities than what is surrounding Moscow or Saint Petersburg when you see a map viewing Saratov virtual compass every direction. Diverting focus away from developing what could have been far more superior realistic potential at the vicinity of Atyrau, Aktau mystical sea grasp.
Look at this map precipitation (mm) map of the USSR

http://www.agroatlas.ru/content/agro..._09_en_big.gif

As you can see the eastern Caspian is much drier then the western side, and eastern and northern Kazakhstan are much wetter then the western/interior. Prior to Soviet industrialization, the Russian empire was an agrarian nation, meaning people lived where they could grow crops/herd animals, that was almost impossible to do in the deserts of central Asia. Furthermore the Volga is the largest river in Europe, or course it's going to have a lot of major cities, they also have canals connecting the river to the Baltic sea, white sea and black sea.
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Old 06-18-2017, 09:29 PM
 
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What a mystery to figure out Kazakhstan’s dilemma with not developing their own sea resort utopia. A severe lack of major cities, wanting above one million people for each urban area, hopefully extra luxury hotel accommodations eventually occurring. Aktau isn’t even close to these Global urbanite levels judging by the pictures. Atyrau might reach close to borderline status of making something truly worthwhile. Even for far away travels to a foreigner. Is this entirely Russia’s fault with the major deficiencies of the Kazakhstan Caspian Sea?
Where even to begin.

Who in the hell is going to go to their sea resort? The place is not exactly on the beaten path, it is corrupt as hell with the police leading the way, and the place is just the typical post-USSR central Asian country complete with all the issues. There is nothing out near the sea, nothing, you are just advocating to build a bunch of nonsense in the middle of no where.

How in the hell is this Russia's fault? What in the hell does Russia even have to do with it?
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