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Old 06-12-2017, 02:41 PM
 
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Gelsenkirchen-Dortmund
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Old 06-12-2017, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Lyon - Manchester
Pop: 2,3 m vs 2,5 m
GDP, roughly same.

Turin - Lille
Pop: 1,7 m vs 1.2 m
Same gdp
Do people in those cities really care about the other cities, though?
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Old 06-12-2017, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Paris
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Do people in those cities really care about the other cities, though?
I would say....more than we can think. It's a giant competition so all cities are in competition. But people ? I'm not even sure a dude in Turin knows where Lille is ^^
But an investor will choose truly between Lyon Turin or Manchester I guess.

But outside of the country borders, only a few cities are fighting each other internationally...
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Old 06-12-2017, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Lyon - Manchester
Pop: 2,3 m vs 2,5 m
GDP, roughly same.
LOL - I don't think Lyon and Manchester have a fierce rivalry.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Paris
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LOL - I don't think Lyon and Manchester have a fierce rivalry.
If we only speak about fierce rivalry, then no. However this kind of cities enter in competition economically, thats my POV. Not the good one I guess lol

Outside of Paris that dreams to be London and Roma at the same time (which is close to impossible lol), it's normal regional competition within the borders. Ofc Lyon and Marseille-Aix are in competition, they are both french and separated by only 300 km lol.

But I understand, it wasn't the topic I thought.

Then I ll say Bordeaux - Toulouse. French Wine capital vs euro planes factory
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Old 06-12-2017, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Cannes
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Santiago - Buenos Aires
Buenos Aires - São Paulo
Seattle - Vancouver Canada
Vancouver, CA - Toronto
Turin - Milan
Lisbon - Porto
Barcelona - Valencia
Berlin - Munich
Wien - Munich
Rome - Veneza
Tokyo - Seoul
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Old 06-13-2017, 09:56 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Your list is good.

Add San Francisco vs Los Angeles. I suppose you could measure the demographics in different ways (e.g. city proper, or County vs. Bay Area), but the two cities are definitely rivals within California.
I agree with this completely. In this case I definitely would say it's metro vs metro too. This becomes really heated when sports are involved (Dodgers vs Giants) but these two cities (metros) compete on other levels too. In just the sports world, San Francisco vs Seattle also exist with 49er's vs Seahawks.
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Old 06-13-2017, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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If we only speak about fierce rivalry, then no. However this kind of cities enter in competition economically, thats my POV. Not the good one I guess lol

Outside of Paris that dreams to be London and Roma at the same time (which is close to impossible lol), it's normal regional competition within the borders. Ofc Lyon and Marseille-Aix are in competition, they are both french and separated by only 300 km lol.

But I understand, it wasn't the topic I thought.

Then I ll say Bordeaux - Toulouse. French Wine capital vs euro planes factory



In terms of Manchester it's firece rivalry has always been with Liverpool.

Although there has always been a rivalry between the counties of Lancashire and Yorkshire (War of the Roses) and if you ever want to see real hatred watch Man Utd play Leeds Utd in a Cup Match.
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Old 06-13-2017, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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Lyon (city 0.5 million / metro 2.2 million) vs. Marseille (city 0.85 million / metro 1.9 million)
These cities are way too different to be in some kind of rivalry. If anything, any French regional capital tries to rival with Paris in some way.

Well, maybe when there's a football match.
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Old 06-13-2017, 02:35 PM
 
Location: London, United Kingdom
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I like a number of the suggestions so far. For one example, the Madrid (7 million people) versus Barcelona (6 million people) suggestion is certainly a contender here. Their size range is nearly in the same ballpark and the two cities compete against one another to be Spain's premier city by culture, tourism, economy, social influence, image and brand awareness, sports, among many other factors.

However, I can't help but notice that some of you didn't really grasp what I am looking for in this thread. For example, the people that have said Los Angeles (18.7 million people) versus San Francisco (8.7 million people) should probably take that rivalry to this thread:

What are THE TOP 10 biggest city vs city rivalries in the WORLD?

This is not to suggest those cities aren't rivals, they absolutely are, but they don't fit the mold of what I am looking for here. As that thread I just linked would be more appropriate for the above pair of Los Angeles and San Francisco. Especially given that Los Angeles is well more than 2X the San Francisco Bay Area's size, they are not similarly sized at all and are not of similar caliber (one of them is much more important than the other), which is essentially what I am looking for here. Had they been similarly sized, they'd be a candidate pair for this thread but one place is just far larger than the other and that size difference makes it more of a one-way rivalry than a legitimate two-way rivalry, can't ignore that.

My thread is for places that are around the same size and around the same caliber as cities and I also think many folks may be fixating on sports way too much, yes, that's one component of a rivalry but not as big of a deal as other things IMO. I'm looking for much deeper links to a rivalry than just sports. If it was just all about sports and cities of any size then I suppose Green Bay is a rival for Chicago given that the Packers and Bears hate each other. In reality Green Bay is a metropolitan area of 350,000 people and Chicago is a place of nearly 10 million people, just about the only thing these places have a rivalry on is "sports" because that's all Green Bay can offer to Chicago in the way of a rival.

I'm looking for two-way rivalries, meaning places around the same size (by population of the metropolitan region) and around the same level of strength that compete with one another on matters such as (but not limited to) history, economics, social influence, political influence, logistics, trade, geopolitics, wealth, so on and so forth.

For example, while it isn't a "fierce" rivalry given that the two city-states are so many hundreds of miles apart from one another and people don't give the other place much thought on a day-to-day basis (on the basis that people aren't waiting to "stick it" to the other city), Hong Kong and Singapore are similarly sized and of similar caliber to one another and their rivalry stems from the two cities competing against one another for resources, capital investment, and to prove which of their city development models are more successful. At the end of the day, while people in Hong Kong and Singapore don't think of one another daily, they are aware of the other place's achievements and stature and from a societal point-of-view, they do try to match and exceed their stated rival in those aspects.

Case in point:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN1900LN

My apologies if my post comes off as rather harsh or rude, that is not my intention, but yes, just rephrasing what this thread is for and what I am looking for here.

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