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Old 06-26-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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I think some of you will blame Obama for your clogged up sinks and toilets if you could.

If you blame Obama for poor race relations you clueless about humans period.
The man stood up there and told people they were victims. He made them feel held down. Instead he should have told them, "Life isn't fair, but you have to overcome obstacles and keep pushing ahead. Look at me. I did it and you can too."

He set us back a generation with his rhetoric.
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Old 06-26-2017, 01:56 PM
 
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The man stood up there and told people they were victims. He made them feel held down. Instead he should have told them, "Life isn't fair, but you have to overcome obstacles and keep pushing ahead. Look at me. I did it and you can too."

He set us back a generation with his rhetoric.
He really didn't and quite frankly these racial tensions had always been boiling under the surface. Obama is a handy scapegoat for a few people. If you are hell bent on blaming a president for social friction then you can also blame Reagan and Bush I for the same reasons. The amount of racial tension today is the same as it was in the late 80's early 90's.
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Old 06-26-2017, 01:59 PM
 
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I think Japan has reached such an incredible level of development that it just can't grow enough with the top 5 in the future. Korea, SA, and Israel they don't even come close to the big dogs
Japan has an enormous aging population and population contraction problem. It's tough to have economic growth when your population projects to shrink from 125 million down to 90 million by 2050 with just about 1 retiree per worker. Low birthrates. Zero immigration.

South Korea has the exact same problem. Ditto just about all of northern Europe.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:15 PM
 
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The man stood up there and told people they were victims. He made them feel held down. Instead he should have told them, "Life isn't fair, but you have to overcome obstacles and keep pushing ahead. Look at me. I did it and you can too."

He set us back a generation with his rhetoric.
Nah. The whole permanent underclass problem is lack of mobility. The LBJ Great Society programs and their replacements have always been administered at the state level. If you're mired in the bottom 20%, you're getting state assistance with Medicaid, Section 8 housing, TANF, WIC, SNAP, and similar programs. In 1950 before those existed, you moved to where the jobs were or you starved. Now, you're stuck in one place because all those programs for the poor won't work if you move out of state. Obama had nothing to do with that at all.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:50 PM
 
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Nah. The whole permanent underclass problem is lack of mobility. The LBJ Great Society programs and their replacements have always been administered at the state level. If you're mired in the bottom 20%, you're getting state assistance with Medicaid, Section 8 housing, TANF, WIC, SNAP, and similar programs. In 1950 before those existed, you moved to where the jobs were or you starved. Now, you're stuck in one place because all those programs for the poor won't work if you move out of state. Obama had nothing to do with that at all.
Usage of those programs was expanded under Obama, so while I agree with your premise that those programs are social poison, I don't agree that Obama did not have a hand in making things worse for the lowest tier of society.
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:51 PM
 
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He really didn't and quite frankly these racial tensions had always been boiling under the surface. Obama is a handy scapegoat for a few people. If you are hell bent on blaming a president for social friction then you can also blame Reagan and Bush I for the same reasons. The amount of racial tension today is the same as it was in the late 80's early 90's.
Like I said, Obama set us back a generation. Right back to the 1980's.
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Old 06-26-2017, 03:00 PM
 
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Like I said, Obama set us back a generation. Right back to the 1980's.
Your hate-boner for Obama is as bad as Trump's. I know you and those of your ilk want to label the guy as the anti-christ with supernatural powers to make people fear and distrust each other but no. Simple human tribalism at work. But of course I may as well be talking to a brick wall.

You should instead focus on legislation. Something Presidents actually have control instead of people's feelings.
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Old 06-26-2017, 03:04 PM
 
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Nah. The whole permanent underclass problem is lack of mobility. The LBJ Great Society programs and their replacements have always been administered at the state level. If you're mired in the bottom 20%, you're getting state assistance with Medicaid, Section 8 housing, TANF, WIC, SNAP, and similar programs. In 1950 before those existed, you moved to where the jobs were or you starved. Now, you're stuck in one place because all those programs for the poor won't work if you move out of state. Obama had nothing to do with that at all.
I'm sorry but you are wrong.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national...exodus/359714/

It never ceases to amaze me how people wrongly really think that LBJ's policies influence social behavior that much.
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Old 06-26-2017, 03:28 PM
 
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Your hate-boner for Obama is as bad as Trump's. I know you and those of your ilk want to label the guy as the anti-christ with supernatural powers to make people fear and distrust each other but no. Simple human tribalism at work. But of course I may as well be talking to a brick wall.

You should instead focus on legislation. Something Presidents actually have control instead of people's feelings.
I voted for him in 2008 because his snake oil sucked me in and because I was PO'ed at the Republicans over Iraq. I gave him a chance and he came up way short of the mark.

You know nothing about me, nothing at all. On the other hand, I meet Obama apologists every day. Very predictable.
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Old 06-26-2017, 03:33 PM
 
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Future GDP growth really will come from investments, no investment than no growth, big investments than big growth.

There are only two things in the future world: OBOR & AIIB. One is an Eurasia infrastructure project, the other is a bank financing it ... being left out is a big left out.
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