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Old 07-12-2017, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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A lot of people complain that the US has very young cities with no history, so lets see how they compare with other countries. We will do this by getting the twenty largest cities (preferably by metro/urban area) and averaging the years that they were settled/founded.

USA: 1786

New York City: 1624
Los Angeles: 1781
Chicago: 1780
Dallas: 1841
Houston: 1837
Washington: 1751
Philadelphia: 1682
Miami: 1825
Atlanta: 1837
Boston: 1630
San Francisco: 1776
Phoenix: 1867
Riverside: 1870
Detroit: 1701
Seattle: 1851
Minneapolis: 1856
San Diego: 1769
Tampa: 1823
Denver: 1858
St. Louis: 1764

Russia: 1605

Moscow: <1147
Saint Petersburg: 1703
Novosibirsk: 1893
Yekaterinburg: 1723
Nizhny Novgorod: 1221
Samara: 1586
Omsk: 1716
Kazan: 1005
Chelyabinsk: 1736
Rostov-on-Don: 1749
Ufa: 1574
Volgograd: 1589
Perm: 1723
Krasnoyark: 1628
Voronezh: 1585
Saratov: 1590
Krasnodar: 1794
Tolyatti: 1737
Izhevsk: 1760
Ulyanovsk: 1648

Ukraine: 1503

Kiev: 482
Kharkiv: 1654
Dnipropetrovsk: 1776
Odessa: 1794
Donetsk: 1869
Zaporizhia: 952
Lviv: 1240
Kryvyi Rih: 1776
Mykolaiv: 1789
Mariupol: 1778
Luhansk: 1795
Makiivka: 1696
Vinnytsia: 1363
Simferopol: 1784
Sevastopol: 1783
Kherson: 1778
Poltava: 899
Chernihiv: 907
Cherkasy: 1286
Sumy: 1655

As you can see a lot of the American cities were forming around the same time as many of the cities in Russia and Ukraine, yet Russia and Ukraine don't get the same reputation of lacking history, sure these two countries have many towns that were built over a thousand years ago, but most major cities in both countries were built in the 1700s. St. Petersburg is significantly younger than New York and Boston, yet it's seen as a historical city and not so much with the case of New York and Boston, at least on a global scale. It will be interesting how other countries compare. (Also I'm aware of why many of the cities in Russia and Ukraine are so young, the Russian ones are in mainly in Siberia and south western Russia which is outside of the traditional Russia, and the Ukrainian ones are mainly in the south which used to be mainly uninhabited and controlled by the Ottomans, the Russians then started colonizing the area once they annexed it)
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Old 07-13-2017, 03:24 AM
 
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China
Just a few examples:

Beijing 1046 BC
Xi'an 16th century BC
Guangzhou 214 BC
Shanghai 751
Hong Kong 1841 (British possession)
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Old 07-13-2017, 03:46 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Many UK Cities were first recorded as cities after the Roman Invasion of AD 43 but were settlements long before this.

Oldest UK Cities - Predating Records


  • Canterbury
  • Carlisle
  • Chichester
  • Durham
  • Ely
  • Exeter
  • Lincoln
  • City of London (Roman city in 43AD)
  • Salisbury
  • Winchester
  • York
  • Bangor
Oldest UK Cities - by Date of Incorporation

  • Coventry 1345
  • Edinburgh 1329
  • Hull 1299
  • Salisbury 1220
  • Leeds 1207
  • Wells 1205
  • Norwich 1195
  • Hereford 1189
  • Worcester 1189
  • Newcastle upon Tyne 1080
Amesbury along with Stonehenge in Wiltshire is claimed to be Britain's oldest settlement, dating back to 8820 BC according to a project led by the University of Buckingham. Thatcham in Berkshire is often said to be the oldest town in Britain, since its occupation can be traced back to a mesolithic hunting camp, which was discovered there beside a Post-glacial rebound period lake, and there is evidence of human occupation within and around Thatcham covering the past 13,000 years or more.

The UK's Oldest Cities, UK Cities

10 of the UK's oldest towns - Travel - The Telegraph

Oldest town in Britain - Wikipedia

London 'diverse' 2,000 years ago - BBC News

The evolution of London: the city's near-2,000 year history mapped - Guardian

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Old 07-13-2017, 04:31 AM
 
Location: Living in Spain (Altea, Costa Blanca) originary from NL (Rotterdam).
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Oldest Spanish cities... This is why I find funny when some people overrate the history of certain European countries for their "history", "culture", etc when a long way ago much before the simple existence of a single important city on those countries, Spain, Greece or Portugal had thousands of population living in various cities. In fact historically talking, Greece is by far the most important in Europe.

X century BC or older:

Cádiz 1104 BC
Huelva X century BC

V-X centuries BC

Salamanca IX BC
Sevilla VIII BC (although they found older remains)
Adra VIII BC
Almuñecar VIII BC
Málaga VIII BC
Ceuta VII BC
Granada VI BC
Lérida VI BC
Ávila V BC
Gijón V BC
Tarragona V BC

I-V centuries BC

Alicante 324 BC
Torrejoncillo III BC
Barcelona III BC
Badalona III BC
Cartagena 227 BC
Calahorra 187 BC
Huesca 179 BC
Córdoba 169 BC
Valencia 138 BC
Palma de Mallorca 123 BC
Lugo I BC
Gerona/Girona 79 BC
Medellín (Badajoz) 79 BC
Pamplona 74 BC
Cáceres 34 BC
León 29 BC
Santander 26 BC
Mérida 25 BC
Zaragoza 24 BC
Astorga 14 BC

Alcalá, Madrid I century. Madrid itself wasn't founded until the IX century AC.


Special mention to Toledo, believed to be founded approx in the century V-VI BC but it's not clear at all until today. Besides, in the year 193 BC the Roman Empire conquered Toledo after a big resistence from the locals, and Marco Fulvio specifically mentioned that the city had fortifications on it (and mentioned city, not settlement) so that means that it was already a pretty big city for that era.
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Old 07-13-2017, 09:06 AM
 
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Jerusalem - 2000 BC
Tel Aviv-Yaffa - Tel Aviv 1909 and Yaffa - 2000 BC
Haifa - 200 AD
Rishon LeZion - 1882
Petah Tikva - 1878
Ashdod - 1956
Netanya - 1929
Beersheva - 2000 BC
Holon - 1936
Bnei Brak - 1924
Ramat Gan - 1921
Rehovot - 1890
Ashkelon - 1948
Bat Yam - 1926
Beit Shemesh - 1950
Kfar Saba - 1903
Herzliya - 1924
Hadera - 1891
Modin - 1978
Nazareth - 1500 BC

Cities & Towns – Israel My Beloved

Some of these cities listed as more recent do have more ancient roots.
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Old 07-13-2017, 10:49 AM
 
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Human agricultural settlements are around 10,000 years old and written history is about 5,000.

In the next 5,000-10,000 years, the difference between US and Russian cities, on the one hand, and ancient Chinese, Indus Valley, Mesopotamian and Mediterranean cities, etc., on the other, won't seem significant, if any of them are remembered at all, nor will the question of who industrialized first in the 1750s-2050s period matter either.

Anyways, to the OP's point, yes, looking back over the past 400 years or so there are many parallels, chronological and otherwise, to the Russian conquest of mainly north-northeastern Asia and the US conquest of mainly middle of north America. In fact, they even touched each other in Alaska.

Even to this day, the one can't seem to keep his nose out of the other's arse. Phew!

Good Luck!
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Old 07-13-2017, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Many UK Cities were first recorded as cities after the Roman Invasion of AD 43 but were settlements long before this.

Oldest UK Cities - Predating Records


  • Canterbury
  • Carlisle
  • Chichester
  • Durham
  • Ely
  • Exeter
  • Lincoln
  • City of London (Roman city in 43AD)
  • Salisbury
  • Winchester
  • York
  • Bangor
Oldest UK Cities - by Date of Incorporation

  • Coventry 1345
  • Edinburgh 1329
  • Hull 1299
  • Salisbury 1220
  • Leeds 1207
  • Wells 1205
  • Norwich 1195
  • Hereford 1189
  • Worcester 1189
  • Newcastle upon Tyne 1080
Amesbury along with Stonehenge in Wiltshire is claimed to be Britain's oldest settlement, dating back to 8820 BC according to a project led by the University of Buckingham. Thatcham in Berkshire is often said to be the oldest town in Britain, since its occupation can be traced back to a mesolithic hunting camp, which was discovered there beside a Post-glacial rebound period lake, and there is evidence of human occupation within and around Thatcham covering the past 13,000 years or more.

The UK's Oldest Cities, UK Cities

10 of the UK's oldest towns - Travel - The Telegraph

Oldest town in Britain - Wikipedia

London 'diverse' 2,000 years ago - BBC News

The evolution of London: the city's near-2,000 year history mapped - Guardian
I don't really care about the oldest, I just care about how old the largest cities are, how old are the places most people live in. So this is how I would do the UK

UK: 701

London: 43
Manchester: 79
Birmingham: 600
Leeds: 1207
Glasgow: 500s
Liverpool: 1207
Southampton: 43
Newcastle upon Tyne: 100s
Nottingham: 600
Sheffield: 700s
Bristol: <1000
Belfast: 1177
Leicester: 47
Edinburgh: <600
Brighton and Hove: <1854
Bournemouth: 1810
Cardiff: 50s
Middlesbrough: 686
Stoke-on-Trent: 670
Coventry: 1043
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:28 PM
 
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It's quite difficult, because we often have exact dates for when the Romans established settlements in these places, but often they were on the site of much older Celtic settlements that we have no actual record for. But archaeology suggests that some of them were already hundreds, if not thousands of years old.

Going by the Roman dates:

London 43AD
Colchester 43AD
Cardiff ~50AD
Norwich 60AD
York 71AD
Chester 79AD
Etc.

What's interesting is that many of the largest cities in 2017, such as Birmingham, began as small medieval villages, and remained remained pretty irrelevant until the industrial revolution, when they basically exploded. You've listed most of the large UK cities already. I can't really improve upon that.
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:46 PM
 
Location: NO
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Norway:
Tønsberg: 900s
Trondheim: 997
Oslo: 1000s
Bergen: 1070
Stavanger: 1125
Tromsø: 1794

Sweden:

Stockholm: 1200s
Gothenburg: 1621
Malmö: 1300s

Denmark:
Copenhagen: 1100s (or maybe 1000s)
Aarhus: 900s
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:54 PM
 
Location: NYntarctica
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Peru

1100: Cuzco
1532: Piura (had indigenous settlements long before that)
1534: Trujillo (had cultures for thousands of years before, important Chimu city. One of the largest pre-Columbian cities in the Americas)
1535: Lima
1540: Arequipa (was a big town for centuries before)
1540: Ayacucho
1541: Huanuco
1541: Moquegua
1572: Huancavelica
1574: Huaraz

Overall it's a bit hard to measure the founding date of the cities here because some of them have been around for so long, cities like Trujillo and Chimbote have had people living there for thousands of years before
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