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Old 08-20-2017, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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San Diego has been called the city with the best climate in the world. That should have put it somewhere on this list. I'm dubious of the list too.
I don't mean to call you out specifically but this is a very US-centric point of view.

There is a reason US cities never make these lists. The "desirable" cities in the US really aren't so desirable in a global context. Huge divide between rich and poor. San Diego's climate isn't all that unique, and beautiful weather and scenery does not pay the bills. The major cities in the US just aren't very livable to the majority of the people.
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Old 08-20-2017, 01:27 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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I'm very skeptical of this list. Calgary has a very poor climate, is very isolated, and has poor public transportation. Vancouver also has a poor climate and is extremely expensive. I would think that cities like Nice, Barcelona, Monaco, Genoa, Rome, etc, would dominate the list
France and Spain are afflicted with a number of issues that stymy the QOL. Unemployment, for example.

I think it's a good list and I concur with it for the most part. I think Oslo and Zurich need to be on the list, however. I would replace Helsinki with one of those two.
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Old 08-20-2017, 10:51 AM
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Location: NYntarctica
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The discussions surrounding these lists goes to show everyone has their different wants and needs and its pretty difficult to rank how "livable" a city is.

Infrastructure, crime and economy are the only universal subjects most people can agree on they need in their life.

No one wants high crime, no jobs and poor city services.

Crap like culture can not be measured and its so subjective, just sounds snobby as sh-t judging a city by its art museums and crap.

A medium sized city in Canada would probably be the best of all worlds, of course there is weather that is a factor.
Even infrastructure is very debatable, for different people infrastructure might mean different things. Some people might think of infrastructure as the quality of roads, highways, lack of traffic. For me, by infrastructure, I want public transport, trains, and walkable streets


Personally I would much rather live in Santiago de Chile over Toronto or Calgary, but I know most people would disagree with me
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Old 08-21-2017, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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Oh...O.k..it figures that the list was compiled by a bunch of Brits at the Economist Magazine out of the U.K.

Of course these live wires pick a bunch of dull(ish) english speaking cities where everything is well ordered but as places to actually LIVE, as exciting as watching paint dry. Calgary ???!! bwahahahaha...come ON. I've lived in and just outside of Toronto most of my life. Toronto is the kind of place that doesn't do anything particularly wrong administratively but neither does it make one truly relish life and/or make you happy to just be alive, the way some cities I've visited have made me feel. Serviceable and efficient but hardly memorable or inspiring. The kind of place an expat executive would love...which I suppose is the target market for these Economist listings.

Toronto did NOT make the top 25 list most livable cities published by Monocle Magazine, which was founded by one Tyler Brule, a Canadian expat from Winnipeg. Brule spent considerable time in Toronto before moving to London so I'm sure he knows the city quite well and has never included it in his lists. That's gotta tell you something.

https://monocle.com/film/affairs/qua...5-cities-2017/
I lived there one year. I liked the place a lot but at times it felt everything was too far away. Still, Toronto has a pretty dense nice downtown (by north american standards) and a lot of stuff. I think this is the kind of place that needs to be lived in for many years to find out what's in it. I think I could live there, but the major issue I have with "the new world" is that everything is really far. In Europe it is easy to change language / culture as the countries are pretty close from each other, and it is overall denser. Also, the city is really pretty spread out once you get out of downtown and the metro system is pretty limited. Cars are pretty much mandatory.
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Old 08-21-2017, 06:03 AM
 
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It's funny how these con artists manage to include the terms "city" and "livable" in the same sentence...
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Old 08-21-2017, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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It's funny how these con artists manage to include the terms "city" and "livable" in the same sentence...
There is no con.

If someone can't understand that different people like and thrive on different things, then perhaps that person should interact more with other people with different views.

To say someone MUST be conning someone into believing cities are liveable and have different levels of liveability is denying the history of humankind.
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Old 08-21-2017, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I don't mean to call you out specifically but this is a very US-centric point of view.

There is a reason US cities never make these lists. The "desirable" cities in the US really aren't so desirable in a global context. Huge divide between rich and poor. San Diego's climate isn't all that unique, and beautiful weather and scenery does not pay the bills. The major cities in the US just aren't very livable to the majority of the people.
" best in the world " is an overused phrase. I would hope most would be dubious of it's use.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvaja9AE2rs
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:16 AM
 
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Ohh the usual hogwash "best cities" list.....ahahahah

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I feel depressed with these rankings. São Paulo is falling year after year, and this year it is in the bottom 20.
Don't worry...for the most part these ranking are, at best, extremely subjective and limited in their parameters and, at worst, pure unadulterated BS

I would rather live in Sao Paulo than Helsinki 100 times out of 100.....yes I visited both of them...
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:21 AM
 
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For fun, here are the 10 "happiest" countries in the world:


1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Iceland
4. Switzerland
5. Finland
6. Netherlands
7. Canada
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden


Interesting quite few of them have high suicide rates...go figure LOL
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:22 AM
 
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Climate isn't nearly as important to most people as one might conclude from reading the City-Data forum.
Climate maybe is not important to some people living in places with crappy weather...they simply do not know any better....
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