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View Poll Results: Do these 4 countries deserve to be perm members of the UNSC?
Brazil - yes 10 20.41%
Germany - yes 36 73.47%
India - yes 14 28.57%
Japan - yes 33 67.35%
Brazil - no 22 44.90%
Germany - no 9 18.37%
India - no 21 42.86%
Japan - no 7 14.29%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-17-2017, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Finland
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who said five million Saudis or Mexicans would matter? By the way, Saudi Arabia has 32 million and Mexico has 128 million people.

An internal market is ok, but your PM can't decide what to do for the swedes or Norwegians.

It is not that 5m finns don't matter, it is that Finland as country with only 5M people won't matter. Do you know why the world cares more about China or India, despite the fact they are much much poorer and less developed than Finland or Norway? Because they are big. It is not that I am talking as an Asian. Do you think the French or German or Italian politicians really think Finland matters?

Finland, Sweden and Norway etc should just enjoy their high standard of living, and not expect to be important on international affairs. There are quite some cities that have more people than the three countries combined.
Lol, of course France, Germany and Italy think Finland matters. Do you think Peru is more important to them because they have 6 times our population? Don't be ridiculous.

38,000 Finns have served as UN peacekeepers during the history. Compare this with 33,000 Brazilians. You don't think those 38k people matter?

Anyway, the point is that due to being stable, successful and wealthy high-tech countries 5 million Finns or Norwegians can do much more for a better world than 5 million illiterate Afghans who die at 30 due to cholera. Or 5 million Chinese in rural Guanxi or in a suburb of a 5-million inhabitant city which nobody has ever heard about.

"In international relations, a middle power is a sovereign state that is not a superpower nor a great power, but still has large or moderate influence and international recognition.

The following is a list of countries that have been, whether in the past or more recent, considered middle powers by academics or other experts:"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle..._middle_powers

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Old 10-17-2017, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Ankara, Turkey
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I don’t think any new countries will become permanent members of the UN security council in at least the next 50 years.
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Old 10-17-2017, 12:15 PM
 
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I dont think any new countries will become permanent members of the UN security council in at least the next 50 years.
true. The existing ones will definitely reject any addition. Why dilute the power they already have?

The whole discussion is futile.
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Old 10-17-2017, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Ankara, Turkey
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true. The existing ones will definitely reject any addition. Why dilute the power they already have?

The whole discussion is futile.
The existing ones may reject any new addition and also the countries that are not given a seat will not accept the new countries.
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:48 AM
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What's the USE of Japan since it simply does whatever the US tells it to do?

I agree that UK is useless too since it is exactly like Japan. But France is by no means useless. Its refusal to get involved in the Iraqi war shows its independent foreign policy. I have no objection to Germany. It should replace the UK, which has been spineless for decades.
Agree on the UK being too dependent on the US, although it's not as bad as it used to be some years ago.
Hate to break your francophile party but France is just a puppet of Germany nowadays, especially within the EU.
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Old 01-13-2018, 01:11 PM
 
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For our audience, what is the G4 symbol even alluding to deep down? Wow, Kazakhstan is in charge as the literal CEO owner of this organizational operation(UNSC). Woah, one of the strangest abstract maps I have ever seen before: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...C_2018.svg.png Not necessarily ever calling Kazakhstan a failure by this enacting of a main idea into action. In reality, quite just successful enough with these attempts of assembly congregation. Emerging starting up entity. Really wondering how average typical mainland Chinese citizens think of their own next door neighbors past Uyghur Xinjiang autonomous region? Are they friends or enemies?
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:33 PM
 
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All of them except Japan. Unlike Germany, it still refuses to admit its WWII atrocities and revises history books, keeping the younger generation ignorant. In addition, it's not even a true independent ally but it's USA's permanent puppet; a pushover.

Germany should already have its own full military and not be limited. It already own up to its past and has proven to be trusted by now.
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:49 PM
 
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All of them except Japan. Unlike Germany, it still refuses to admit its WWII atrocities and revises history books, keeping the younger generation ignorant. In addition, it's not even a true independent ally but it's USA's permanent puppet; a pushover.

Germany should already have its own full military and not be limited. It already own up to its past and has proven to be trusted by now.
Omitting negative features that aren’t happening in modern main events sounds necessary enough to promote tranquility vibes. Why is Japan not worthy of meddling into affairs that way? Brazil or India are further young quite busy with other problems. Wisdom of calm is giving us correct clues on what federation units are able to ultimately control stability:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...8/GPI_2017.jpg

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Old 04-21-2018, 11:08 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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All of them except Japan. Unlike Germany, it still refuses to admit its WWII atrocities and revises history books, keeping the younger generation ignorant. In addition, it's not even a true independent ally but it's USA's permanent puppet; a pushover.

Germany should already have its own full military and not be limited. It already own up to its past and has proven to be trusted by now.
I get what you are saying about Japan. But the argument against Germany is not so much the Germans themselves, it is that the Europeans already control 2 out of the 5 permanent seats already (France and Britain). Actually 3 out of the 5, if you count Russia as European.

So while I have nothing against Germany myself, I think the next permanent seat should be offered to a non European power, most likely INDIA.

India has over a billion people, the sixth largest economy in the world (ahead of permanent member France in fact), the second largest army in the world, a rapidly growing navy (including building their own domestically produced aircraft carriers), growing foreign policy interests like the "Look East" policy and even of course nuclear weapons.

Although not as powerful yet as the USA, China or Russia - India is basically already a Great Power and getting stronger every year. She deserves to be on the Security Council as a Permanent Member.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_GDP_(nominal)
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Old 04-23-2018, 06:46 AM
 
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Omitting negative features that aren’t happening in modern main events sounds necessary enough to promote tranquility vibes. Why is Japan not worthy of meddling into affairs that way? Brazil or India are further young quite busy with other problems. Wisdom of calm is giving us correct clues on what federation units are able to ultimately control stability:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...8/GPI_2017.jpg
It doesn't work that way. Ignoring history is basically denying it ever happened. You don't hear of Germany denying the Holocaust.
You can't just start all over without taking responsibility for your past actions and accepting what happened. Afterwards then you can move on and start all over.

What Japan is doing is the same as this analogy:

You get bullied and tormented for many years in school. Both your main tormentor and you are grown-ups by now. However, upon meeting your tormentor he acts all nice and pretends to be your friend. He acts as if you both were buddies back (Japan wanting China to simply forget everything) then and if confronted, not only feigns ignorance (saying raping of Nanking never happened, revising textbooks and not teaching children the right history) but continues associating with his friends (PM Abe visiting shrines of WWII criminals) that also bullied you. Would you then be forgiving to your former tormentor or think this is some type of hypocrite, two-faced up to no good? My guess is you would assume the later.

Imagine if Chancellor Angela Merkel denied the Holocaust, claimed the victims are propaganda liars and visited Hitler's grave with roses..treating him as if he was some type of hero!!!

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