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Originally Posted by Fabio SBA
2. London: like Paris, the Underground covers all of the city. But the lines have way more forks, not present in other metro systems. It's cleaner and more modern than Paris, but expensive. A strange thing is that we have to pass the ticket both on departure and on arrival.
London is investing around £3.3 Billion ever year in it's Transport System every year until 2041 ( which is £82.5 Billion in all) according to the Mayor's own repory above in my last post, as foe being expensive prices are capped and there are numerous concessionary fares.
Whilst if you use an Oyster Card, a contactless payment then your fares are reduced further, whilst contactless payments do need to be scanned in or out when you enter or leave a service or change to another service, but the system allows you to travel at the touch of a card even on buses, and you can now put money on to your oyster card via a new Transport for London phone app.
As for the lines having forks, some lines such as the Northern Line may be split in to two in the next decade, as technology and stations are upgraded, and there are constant improvements being made to the system.
Last edited by Brave New World; 09-29-2017 at 11:25 AM..
2. London: like Paris, the Underground covers all of the city. But the lines have way more forks, not present in other metro systems. It's cleaner and more modern than Paris, but expensive. A strange thing is that we have to pass the ticket both on departure and on arrival.
Interesting. Certainly a bad point.
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Originally Posted by Fabio SBA
6. Buenos Aires: it's the oldest metro system in Latin America and it looks that it remains in the same way since then. The banks are in wood and we have to open manually the doors once we reach the station. In terms of coverage, however, it is very effective.
Going by your words, it seems like you only used the old wagons of the line A (wich i think they're already removed) many years ago. So, not at all representative of the metro as a whole, where obviously the banks aren't made of wood or the doors having to be opened manually lol. You only mentioned an exception within the system.
BA's metro is very short and lacks things like AC in a lot of formations. In the other hand, it somewhat offset that by having one of the longest urban rail networks in the world (more than 800km).
Can I reiterate the original point, because I don't think you've understood it fully.
We're talking about what it takes for a project or a set of projects to be considered visionary.
Your argument was that Paris is still at an early stage in its transit upgrades, so is being underestimated in this area. I responded that intangibles like this concern ideas and inspirational qualities that have nothing to do with whether or not the project is complete.
We're not talking about material specifics, such as the upgrade of rolling stock, but the more abstract aspects of city planning.
I don't see why projects in Paris are less visionary than elsewhere... You have to tell me an example in London or elsewhere because it's kinda hard to catch...
I don't see why projects in Paris are less visionary than elsewhere... You have to tell me an example in London or elsewhere because it's kinda hard to catch...
Well we mentioned interdisciplinary synergy, so shall we start with governance. How would you describe the much touted administrative overhaul that was proposed for the Métropole du Grand Paris, in terms of the way it was implemented?
Well we mentioned interdisciplinary synergy, so shall we start with governance. How would you describe the much touted administrative overhaul that was proposed for the Métropole du Grand Paris, in terms of the way it was implemented?
The MGP was created to give a proper direction to the investments linked to the GPX, specially housing and urbanism politics for the future decade(s) (outside of the metro itself). It's communes united. Nothing special, we will know later if it did the job. Yet, the parisian metropole didn't wait for the MGP to develop long run projects with a global vision rather than just a local one.
The GPX tries to look beyond the horizon and is not only a new metro, it's an impacted surface of construction bigger than inner Paris (a radius of 400 m around the 68 future train stations, =140km2) with the consequences we can imagine for the entire area. Like the RER in its time helped to build the villes nouvelles. Connecting la Défense immediatly to Roissy and Orly airports, give an excellent access to the Saclay cluster as well as north suburbs, that's not only political arguments. There's a global vision of the metropole for its future development, yes named synergy, even if it's never perfect, not only investments par çi par là without a clear idea where the city is going.
Paris isn't only an administrative mess between communes, département, régions, and the MGP.
Outside of transportations, most of investments are private, so I don't know why they would be more visionary in London than Paris. The Shard or Hermitage plaza, I don't know why one would be more visionary than the second...
The MGP was created to give a proper direction to the investments linked to the GPX, specially housing and urbanism politics for the future decade(s) (outside of the metro itself). It's communes united. Nothing special, we will know later if it did the job. Yet, the parisian metropole didn't wait for the MGP to develop long run projects with a global vision rather than just a local one.
The GPX tries to look beyond the horizon and is not only a new metro, it's an impacted surface of construction bigger than inner Paris (a radius of 400 m around the 68 future train stations, =140km2) with the consequences we can imagine for the entire area. Like the RER in its time helped to build the villes nouvelles. Connecting la Défense immediatly to Roissy and Orly airports, give an excellent access to the Saclay cluster as well as north suburbs, that's not only political arguments. There's a global vision of the metropole for its future development, yes named synergy, even if it's never perfect, not only investments par çi par là without a clear idea where the city is going.
Paris isn't only an administrative mess between communes, département, régions, and the MGP.
Outside of transportations, most of investments are private, so I don't know why they would be more visionary in London than Paris. The Shard or Hermitage plaza, I don't know why one would be more visionary than the second...
There's definitely a global vision, but the administrative remodeling turned out to be poorly thought through and a bureaucratic mess. Yet this human capital resource will oversee the interdisciplinary coordination for many of these upgrades.
I'm aware that there are proposals to fix its problems, and that this is a fundamentally unfair comparison (given that London doesn't face the same challenges), but it's still an important insight into the visionary underpinnings of the whole project.
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