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Greater Los Angeles 44 59.46%
Greater Tokyo 30 40.54%
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Old 11-05-2017, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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Or Houston.
Naw, Houston is much denser than Atlanta. Because if hills areas like Buckhead and north Atlanta suburbs in general has like negative density nowhere in Houston is like that.
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Old 11-11-2017, 02:00 AM
 
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Atlanta definetly. Atlanta is probably the most sprawled city in the world and actually, in comparison to other U.S. cities, LA is actually quite dense.
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Old 11-16-2017, 03:07 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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despite its reputation, Los Angeles is not even the most sprawly city in the US.
For sprawl, Minneapolis-St. Paul area, Phoenix, and we're looking at population to area size.

L.A. is restricted by their notorious anti-development, anti-density Nimby's, and the Coastal Commission, and if you silenced all these people, L.A. would go vertical and dense overnight! Their coastline would resemble Dade County/Miami.
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Old 11-16-2017, 05:28 AM
 
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For sprawl, Minneapolis-St. Paul area, Phoenix, and we're looking at population to area size.

L.A. is restricted by their notorious anti-development, anti-density Nimby's, and the Coastal Commission, and if you silenced all these people, L.A. would go vertical and dense overnight! Their coastline would resemble Dade County/Miami.
Overall, Los Angeles is not that sparse. People think so because it doesn't have a compact traditional downtown. Metro LA in general is probably denser than Greater Boston.

People often think SF is a lot denser than Los Angeles. That's only because LA is a lot larger. Central Los Angeles if were a city, is almost as dense as San Francisco.

Speaking of anti-everything NIMbys, it is not just LA. Cities such as Boston and SF are shining examples.
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Given that developers in the L.A. area are so restricted (Santa Monica hasn't seen a new high rise since 1970) it's nice to see them Manhattanizing downtown L.A., as where else are high rises allowed, given 72% of L.A. is still, antiquatedly, zoned for single family homes.

I was in downtown L.A. last week and there must be a dozen high rise cranes in the air. Hurry, hurry, get those high rises up before the Nimby's start squawking in Downtown L.A.: Nope! It's going to block my view!

Yes, I'm well aware of the Nimby's in Boston and Minneapolis.
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Old 11-16-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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Given that developers in the L.A. area are so restricted (Santa Monica hasn't seen a new high rise since 1970) it's nice to see them Manhattanizing downtown L.A., as where else are high rises allowed, given 72% of L.A. is still, antiquatedly, zoned for single family homes.

I was in downtown L.A. last week and there must be a dozen high rise cranes in the air. Hurry, hurry, get those high rises up before the Nimby's start squawking in Downtown L.A.: Nope! It's going to block my view!

Yes, I'm well aware of the Nimby's in Boston and Minneapolis.
Yeah, that's why I never liked Los Angeles. But most American cities are like that. I think at least 70% of San Francisco is zoned for lowrise SFHs too, despite the reputation of being a 'dense" city.

Santa Monica doesn't have many midrises (4-12 stories), not to mention highrises. If it has 200,000 people, instead of 90,000 now, I would like it a lot more. Now it is just as boring as any small American towns, just with beaches and expensive houses. I just dont understand why people are so afraid of 4 or 5 story buildings.

I hope downtown development will maintain the stream for a while. It is such a shame that America's second largest city doesn't have a vibrant and livable downtown.
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Old 11-16-2017, 08:31 PM
 
Location: East Bay, San Francisco Bay Area
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Having been to both, I’d say LA wins this one.
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Old 11-25-2017, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Denver/Atlanta
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How is LA winning the poll? It's clearly Tokyo. Have y'all even seen a map of the place??
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Old 12-05-2018, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Centre of Europe
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How is LA winning the poll? It's clearly Tokyo. Have y'all even seen a map of the place??
No you cannot say that. It's all about the exact definition you will use. We talked about that a lot a few years ago. Just look in my profile and you should find the evidence, based on our own measurements using Google-Maps.

So the definition we used there was: if we speak about the continuous urban area that is covered a t least with 50% of construction (no forest, no parks etc.), then the urban area that is the most sprawled out is New York. Then L.A. and third would be Tokyo.

But of course there are many different definitions you can use. Atlanta has a lot of sprawled out areas but that are less than 50% built up, thats why its not bigger than L.A. if we use the definition above.


But if we speak about the biggest city in general without using a specific definition i would also mention Tokyo, since it's absolutely amazingly dense and huge and has twice the population of NY or L.A.
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:20 PM
 
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I live in the Los Angeles area and have been to Tokyo more than once, and found it ridiculously huge and crowded. Even if LA is actually more "sprawly" (which I'm not sure has been established), it is way, waaayy less dense and overwhelming than Tokyo.
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