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Old 11-03-2017, 12:39 PM
 
Location: NYC
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I very much doubt that. Let me repeat the question I asked milkyway resident earlier. Would North America, Western Europe and Australia recognize Palestine if it was a Christian majority country? Oh also Turkey is a secular country in its constitution similar to France unlike US where the president swears on bible. Even though Turkey’s secularity is under attack by Islamists who have been supported by the west for years.
There are 57 Islamic countries in the world, most of which are recognized by North American and Western European nations. So I really doubt that the Muslim identity of Palestine is what impedes its international recognition. Of course it has everything to do with the ME conflict itself, but it's not the reason in and of itself for lack of recognition of Palestine.
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Old 11-03-2017, 12:43 PM
 
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Let me repeat the question I asked milkyway resident earlier. Would North America, Western Europe and Australia recognize Palestine if it was a Christian majority country?
I take it you would answer yes to that. I don't know, actually.

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Oh also Turkey is a secular country in its constitution similar to France unlike US where the president swears on bible.
That's more symbolic really. The policies don't follow the doctrine of some old ass book.

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though Turkey’s secularity is under attack by Islamists supported by the west for years.
Dude, the West doesn't support Erdogan.
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Old 11-03-2017, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Ankara, Turkey
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There are 57 Islamic countries in the world, most of which are recognized by North American and Western European nations. So I really doubt that the Muslim identity of Palestine is what impedes its international recognition. Of course it has everything to do with the Middle Eastern conflict itself, but it's not the reason in and of itself for lack of recognition of Palestine.
Though this topic is not about the recognition of other 57 Islamic countries but about the recognition of Palestine and Kosovo in case you haven’t noticed.
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Old 11-03-2017, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Ankara, Turkey
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I take it you would answer yes to that. I don't know, actually.


That's more symbolic really. The policies don't follow the doctrine of some old ass book.



Dude, the West doesn't support Erdogan.
Dude, Erdogan has been in power for 15 years. EU started membership negotiations when they came to power. He had red carpet treatment everywhere. Not to mention US support of Gulenists who were allies of Erdogan for a very long time and together they got rid of seculars in the army, police and judiciary. Anyways Turkey is off topic.
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Old 11-03-2017, 12:59 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Though this topic is not about the recognition of other 57 Islamic countries but about the recognition of Palestine and Kosovo in case you haven’t noticed.
US, Canada and a substantial number of Western European countries have recognized Kosovo (which is also Muslim), but do not recognize Palestine. So wouldn't logic 101 dictate that religion has nothing to do with these nations' refusal to recognize Palestine?
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Old 11-03-2017, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Ankara, Turkey
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US, Canada and a substantial number of Western European countries have recognized Kosovo (which is also Muslim), but do not recognize Palestine. So wouldn't logic 101 dictate that religion has nothing to do with these nations' refusal to recognize Palestine?
No logic 101 would dictate they recognized Kosovo to spite Russia who supports Serbia.
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Old 11-03-2017, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Turku, Finland
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I very much doubt that. Let me repeat the question I asked milkyway resident earlier. Would North America, Western Europe and Australia recognize Palestine if it was a Christian majority country?
Finland, Norway and Denmark are ready to recognise Palestina one second after a permanent peace treaty is signed between Israel and Palestina.

I believe this is the case with most European countries. Nothing to do with religion, everything to do with putting down the arms on both sides.

Selen, read here and notice that Israel has many times said the EU is way too pro Palestine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel...nion_relations
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Old 11-03-2017, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Ankara, Turkey
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Finland, Norway and Denmark are ready to recognise Palestina one second after a permanent peace treaty is signed between Israel and Palestina.

I believe this is the case with most European countries. Nothing to do with religion, everything to do with putting down the arms on both sides.
Then they will probably keep waiting till the end of the world, because to sign a permanent peace treaty you need two parties who want to sign a permanent peace treaty and Israel has no reason whatsoever to sign a permanent peace treaty.
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Turku, Finland
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Then they will probably keep waiting till the end of the world, because to sign a permanent peace treaty you need two parties who want to sign a permanent peace treaty and Israel has no reason whatsoever to sign a permanent peace treaty.
Then we'll wait.
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:21 PM
 
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Then they will probably keep waiting till the end of the world, because to sign a permanent peace treaty you need two parties who want to sign a permanent peace treaty and Israel has no reason whatsoever to sign a permanent peace treaty.
You mean the two-state solution, if yes then Isreal damn right won't sign it anymore.
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