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Old 11-03-2017, 02:46 PM
 
Location: NYC
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No logic 101 would dictate they recognized Kosovo to spite Russia who supports Serbia.
Oh so the West recognizes 57 Muslim nations and have just recognized a 58th, Kosovo, but wouldn't recognize Palestine because it's Muslim? Yeah that's perfectly logical.
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Ankara, Turkey
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Oh so the West recognizes 57 Muslim nations and have just recognized a 58th, Kosovo, but wouldn't recognize Palestine because it's Muslim? Yeah that's perfectly logical.
Did you even read the first 5 pages of this topic? Do you even know what Iím talking about?
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Amazing how most of the countries that don't recognize Israel predominantly follow the religion of peace.
There are various Muslim countries that recognize Israel such as Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Egypt, Jordan, Bosnia, and Kosovo.
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:17 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Did you even read the first 5 pages of this topic? Do you even know what Iím talking about?
I know enough not to care.
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Ankara, Turkey
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I know enough not to care.
Good for you.
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Old 11-03-2017, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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I very much doubt that. Let me repeat the question I asked milkyway resident earlier. Would North America, Western Europe and Australia recognize Palestine if it was a Christian majority country? Oh also Turkey is a secular country in its constitution similar to France unlike US where the president swears on bible. Even though Turkeyís secularity is under attack by Islamists who have been supported by the west for years.
Sorry for the late reply, I was busy.

Like some other posters mentioned, western countries recognize nearly every Muslim country. As to what would happen had Palestine been predominantly Christian, that's hard to say, as it would change the dynamics of the region. A predominantly Christian Palestine would likely get along with Israel a lot better than it currently does. Western recognition of Palestine is primarily concerned with how that country deals with Israel.

I do believe that Turkey's more secular nature played a role in its earlier recognition of Israel. Yes, I do believe that religion plays a crucial role in the matter. How else do you explain why Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Indonesia completely refuse to acknowledge it? None of those are Arabic countries, so its definitely not an ethnic conflict in nature. The few Arab countries that have signed deals with Israel like Egypt and Jordan have done so after several conflicts.

Turkey and Iran (before the revolution) were the odds one out, but even back then Iran did not want to let Israel get into the the UN.

I'm not sure why the position of Muslim countries is so hard to understand, given that the reason for their boycott comes from what they label as "Israel's occupation of the Holy Land". In fact, it even says so in some of the participating countries passports.
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Old 11-04-2017, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Ankara, Turkey
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Sorry for the late reply, I was busy.

Like some other posters mentioned, western countries recognize nearly every Muslim country. As to what would happen had Palestine been predominantly Christian, that's hard to say, as it would change the dynamics of the region. A predominantly Christian Palestine would likely get along with Israel a lot better than it currently does. Western recognition of Palestine is primarily concerned with how that country deals with Israel.

I do believe that Turkey's more secular nature played a role in its earlier recognition of Israel. Yes, I do believe that religion plays a crucial role in the matter. How else do you explain why Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Indonesia completely refuse to acknowledge it? None of those are Arabic countries, so its definitely not an ethnic conflict in nature. The few Arab countries that have signed deals with Israel like Egypt and Jordan have done so after several conflicts.

Turkey and Iran (before the revolution) were the odds one out, but even back then Iran did not want to let Israel get into the the UN.

I'm not sure why the position of Muslim countries is so hard to understand, given that the reason for their boycott comes from what they label as "Israel's occupation of the Holy Land". In fact, it even says so in some of the participating countries passports.
I am afraid this is going to turn into an endless thread like Ukraine and I have no intention of doing so as it is obvious you seem to have a firm but I’m afraid rather naive belief that whatever US, Western Europe and Australia does has no base in religion or self interests but only based on their unconditional love for poor Israel. I have nothing against Israel, I have very close Jewish friends I love. But to use this conflict as a way to prove the point that Muslims are supposedly blinded by religion and West is all rationality and good hearts is ludicrous.
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Old 11-04-2017, 06:38 AM
 
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Finland, Norway and Denmark are ready to recognise Palestina one second after a permanent peace treaty is signed between Israel and Palestina.

I believe this is the case with most European countries. Nothing to do with religion, everything to do with putting down the arms on both sides.

Selen, read here and notice that Israel has many times said the EU is way too pro Palestine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel...nion_relations
OK,,, but do they recognize Israel without such a peace treaty?
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Old 11-04-2017, 08:29 AM
 
Location: NYC
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OK,,, but do they recognize Israel without such a peace treaty?
Israel was recognized in 1948 before the first Arab-Israeli war and has been a UN member state ever since. A few things have happened since then -- you may have heard -- the Arabs didn't establish their own state in the West Bank, waged a number of wars against Israel and as a result Israel has been controlling that territory for 50 years. Given this state of affairs, and the requirements of the relevant UN resolutions ('land for peace'), many countries have reasonably concluded that recognizing Palestine without a peace agreement with Israel -- thereby rewarding the Palestinians with a state without asking for any compromises in return -- will not be conducive to the resolution of the conflict and long term peace in the region. THAT's the reason for why most western nations are withholding recognition, not anything having to do with religion.
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Old 11-04-2017, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Ankara, Turkey
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I’m sure the 40 billion$ aid package US signed to give Israel last year was also for the resolution of the conflict and long term peace in the region. US is such a generous country really.
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