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Old 12-13-2017, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Ankara, Turkey
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Erdogan is showing his true colors which lines him with Iran's.



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US should have thought about that before supporting political Islamists and cults. That dissident Turkish journalist in your text is also a Gulenist, which is a political Islamist cult in Turkey that has been supported by US for decades. Gulenists (Gulen himself is a primary school graduate imam) were allied with current government in Turkey in order to get rid of secular people in the army, police, judiciary. They opened many schools with Islamist leanings. They only recently started arguing with the government in a power struggle. US supported and used these pathetic Islamist cults for decades in Turkey. Now it reaps what it sowed.

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Old 12-14-2017, 01:26 AM
 
Location: Finland
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It is an interesting scenario for sure...maybe trading Turkey for Ukraine with the Russians??
And why would NATO do that? It's like trading a lump of gold for a lump of coal.

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Secular nature of the republic of Turkey corroded greatly since Turkey became a member of NATO. US supported and used Islamist cults in Turkey for decades. I have no problem with Turkey being out of NATO. I donít think Turkey would ever become a part of Nato if Stalin didnít have territorial claims against Turkey after second world war.
Hmm. Of course it's still better to try and promote secular values in Turkey. After all, Erdogan can't live forever.
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Old 12-14-2017, 02:43 AM
 
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US should have thought about that before supporting political Islamists and cults. That dissident Turkish journalist in your text is also a Gulenist, which is a political Islamist cult in Turkey that has been supported by US for decades. Gulenists (Gulen himself is a primary school graduate imam) were allied with current government in Turkey in order to get rid of secular people in the army, police, judiciary. They opened many schools with Islamist leanings. They only recently started arguing with the government in a power struggle. US supported and used these pathetic Islamist cults for decades in Turkey. Now it reaps what it sowed.
Who’s the extremist Erdogan or Gulen?

Why blame another country for internal problems? Is Turkey not capable of making its own decisions? If you’re country is facing problems deal with them.

India has had 70 years of independence, yet still relies on British infrastructure. Nevertheless they blame the UK for all their ills, despite the fact that they e done little to remedy the problems that plague their society.

If developing countries spent half of that time working to fix their problems, they would be better off today.

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Old 12-14-2017, 02:27 PM
 
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And why would NATO do that? It's like trading a lump of gold for a lump of coal.
Depending on the perspective....


From a geo-strategic position, it would be a lump of gold for Russia....
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Old 12-14-2017, 06:56 PM
 
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Also it seems Turkey has the will to change their positions;
https://www.google.com/amp/s/sputnik...-syria-threat/
Well the Turkish president has been outspoken against Bashar al-Assad and have been arming the Syrian resistance. Erdogan has increased relations with Iran still, and there are allegations he secretly evaded UN sanctions with Iran. Erdogan is an opportunist. He has toned down the attacks on Assad since it is clear that Assad forces are now stronger than the Syrian resistance. Of course there could be some alliance with Assad with Turkey to fight against the Kurdish rebels as he sees the Kurdish rebels as a major threat, and is really pissed off with the US on arming the Kurdish rebels in Syria and Iraq. It is a very messy situation there. However Russia, US and the West is involved in it and it makes it even more complicated

Saudi Arabia is not in alliance with US, however the US and the West especially like the UK makes a great deal of money selling its military goods to Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has also been accused of supporting terrorist groups due to the terrorist groups fighting against Shia backed rebels.

I believe Saudi Arabia and Israel has persuaded the US government to take a harder line with Iran. They are using the US to eliminate the Iranian threat to the Middle East.

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Old 12-14-2017, 07:25 PM
 
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Not sure about that group of nations, but if there were 3 nations that are clearly top nations, then there is a certainty outcome and there are certainty dynamics that were played out many times in history.
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Old 12-14-2017, 08:19 PM
 
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The US and Israel should dump Saudi Arabia, while Russia should dump Iran and Turkey (at least since the Erdogan era)
Then we can have an alliance between the US, Russia and Israel.
Well the biggest buyer of US military goods is Saudi Arabia. The US is not willing to loose the billions of dollars it earns from Saudi Arabia each year. So it is unlikely there would be a split anytime soon for a break in links with Saudi Arabia and US.
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Old 12-18-2017, 01:58 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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What's wrong with that? At least their all on the same side of the ocean. The US is involved in alliances with nations on every continent.
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Old 12-22-2017, 09:22 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Iran and Turkey share a common fear of their Kurdish minorities. That explains that part.
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:01 PM
 
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Sounds quite very obscure with having these into a union mix. Ethnic Russian individuals are not totally against these regions after real discovery. Despite the remaining issues with autonomous acting Dagestan right along the border with Azerbaijan, and what happened with Sinai peninsula of Egypt not that long ago, there are quite amiable relations. Saw tons of Russians in Qatar when I am visiting. What are their own basic rational start up motives to initiate Turkey, Iran stable diplomacy in courtesy of Russian administration policies. Ideal if this republic affirmatively made another connection. Why not other specific combinations?
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