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Old 02-15-2018, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Did you check the green index and its methodology / meaning?
It's not about green-lympics battle of surface, it's about the 'green-feeling- when you are hanging in the city, not only parks. Because the green feeling is what makes cities' feel small, village like'. At least an important factor. I think it's a better indicator for op rather than the surface of forests or parks.

I went to London - the center of inner London-. It's nowhere near the village effect of the core of Amsterdam. You can ofc have this effect in some places or in the near suburbs. But that's the same for many cities.
Ofc when you leave the core you have places such as the Epping forest, Richmond Park... But that's not the feeling in the city. Meudon forest does not give to Paris a green feeling. Nor the Saint Germain forest. I often go in summer or autumn in Fontainebleau forest for the day with a picnic (50min by car), that has the size of inner London (250km2). It does not make inner Paris greener at all.

That's why this little index isn't that retarded, it is quite accurate.

For the national park in a city... imo it's just a marketing idea.
You might have gone to the tourist west end and now consider yourself some kind of expert on London but a lot of the greenery even in the tourist areas, whilst all the commons, heaths, marshes etc I mentioned are in Greater London itself and close to the city centre.

Richmond is very close to central London, as is Hampstead, Primrose Hill, Clapham Common, Wimbledon Common etc etc and as already stated the city has over 3,000 public parks and hundreds of Garden Squares. You can take a tube train to every just about every single one of these commons, marshs, heaths, royal parks and that's on top of the local parks which are everywhere, whilst Central London is also full of garden squares, and numerous parks.

You are going on about Richmond as if they are foreign entities to London, Richmond is only a handful of stops on the District Line from the Centre of London, and Clapham Common even less, the same is true of Hampstead just above Camden with it's famous market and there are numerous other examples. In terms of Richmond Park, it alone is three times the size of NYC Central Park, but virtually runs in to Bushy Park, Kew Gardens and Winbledon, so this is a cast expanse of green space. This is repreated in many other parts of London with vast areas of heaths and commons.

I am also not concerned with Paris, what I am stating is that London is one of the greenest major cities in the world.

Short History of London's Garden Squares - London Parks & Gardens



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Old 02-15-2018, 12:25 PM
 
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Old 02-15-2018, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Old 02-15-2018, 02:48 PM
 
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You might have gone to the tourist west end and now consider yourself some kind of expert on London but a lot of the greenery even in the tourist areas, whilst all the commons, heaths, marshes etc I mentioned are in Greater London itself and close to the city centre.

Richmond is very close to central London, as is Hampstead, Primrose Hill, Clapham Common, Wimbledon Common etc etc and as already stated the city has over 3,000 public parks and hundreds of Garden Squares. You can take a tube train to every just about every single one of these commons, marshs, heaths, royal parks and that's on top of the local parks which are everywhere, whilst Central London is also full of garden squares, and numerous parks.

You are going on about Richmond as if they are foreign entities to London, Richmond is only a handful of stops on the District Line from the Centre of London, and Clapham Common even less, the same is true of Hampstead just above Camden with it's famous market and there are numerous other examples. In terms of Richmond Park, it alone is three times the size of NYC Central Park, but virtually runs in to Bushy Park, Kew Gardens and Winbledon, so this is a cast expanse of green space. This is repreated in many other parts of London with vast areas of heaths and commons.

I am also not concerned with Paris, what I am stating is that London is one of the greenest major cities in the world.

Short History of London's Garden Squares - London Parks & Gardens


'You might have gone to the tourist west end and now consider yourself some kind of expert on London'

Roooh, where's the British phlegm? I provide a link with a different POV, where London isn't first, and it's wrong, and I m a dude thinking he's an expert. Mmmmh... I must be wrong then.

Or

Despite drinking too much wine and growing baguettes in my little garden, I just have enough place in my brain to be able to check Google earth, streetview, various studies such as the one I gave from MIT (tho these dudes are known for being a little bit stupid), official maps (not satellite views) of the canopy coverage of cities blablabla... I also went to USA twice, and Asia, and European main spots. I didn't lose all my neurons yet so I remember a little.

I even played (everything is more funny with a little Pomerol, lol) drawing circles and their surfaces (1550km2, like outer London) in Google Earth and by putting strong contrasts and colors, check areas that are green - or water- in the city.

Vancouver, Seattle, Singapore, Moscow, Madrid, Roma, Berlin, Frankfurt....I guess that's a lot of future 'national parks', easy to measure through a satellite view. Humans are in liberty there, in their wild environment... .
Coupled with the green index computed with streetview by these guys, at the end the picture is a little bit more clear.

Lord, London is ranked 23rd out of 27 for the cities studied? That must be a wrong study then. I m sorry for giving a pov not included in the independent or guardian or elsewhere

I ll return to my cheese and wine, like a real true frog.

'3,000 public parks and hundreds of Garden Squares. You can take a tube train to every just about every single one'
Wow, that's a lot of tube stations, I underestimated it!
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Old 02-15-2018, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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'You might have gone to the tourist west end and now consider yourself some kind of expert on London'

Roooh, where's the British phlegm? I provide a link with a different POV, where London isn't first, and it's wrong, and I m a dude thinking he's an expert. Mmmmh... I must be wrong then.

Or

Despite drinking too much wine and growing baguettes in my little garden, I just have enough place in my brain to be able to check Google earth, streetview, various studies such as the one I gave from MIT (tho these dudes are known for being a little bit stupid), official maps (not satellite views) of the canopy coverage of cities blablabla... I also went to USA twice, and Asia, and European main spots. I didn't lose all my neurons yet so I remember a little.

I even played (everything is more funny with a little Pomerol, lol) drawing circles and their surfaces (1550km2, like outer London) in Google Earth and by putting strong contrasts and colors, check areas that are green - or water- in the city.

Vancouver, Seattle, Singapore, Moscow, Madrid, Roma, Berlin, Frankfurt....I guess that's a lot of future 'national parks', easy to measure through a satellite view. Humans are in liberty there, in their wild environment... .
Coupled with the green index computed with streetview by these guys, at the end the picture is a little bit more clear.

Lord, London is ranked 23rd out of 27 for the cities studied? That must be a wrong study then. I m sorry for giving a pov not included in the independent or guardian or elsewhere

I ll return to my cheese and wine, like a real true frog.

'3,000 public parks and hundreds of Garden Squares. You can take a tube train to every just about every single one'
Wow, that's a lot of tube stations, I underestimated it!
I think I have provided enough links and London, even the city centre has numerous parks such as Green Park, St James's Park, Hyde Park, Regents Park, Kensington Park, Holland Park etc. You also have the numerous green spaces I have mentioned in previous posts and feel free to look at a map of London it has plenty of green spaces. As for your assertions you don't provide any links and it's generally recognised that London a city that came up with the concepts such as green belts and was instumental in the development of public parks.

As for using terms like retarded that you used in a previous post I find that rather sad and I have said nothing about you being French I merelt pinted out your knowledge of London must not be that great if you haven't visited it's oasis of green space. I couldn't care less if you are French and I am certainly not going to be drawn in to your level of immaturity or insult you.

In terms of a map of London's green spaces Time Out recently published a map just showing the green space.

This gorgeously verdant map shows all of London's green bits - Time Out

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Guardian

Last year I visited all 15 of the UK's national parks. I explored windswept tors, hidden gorges, wild waters and enjoyed the view from the top of Britain's highest peaks. During this journey I could see something was missing: a major urban habitat.

Covering up to 7% of the UK, urban areas are recognised by Natural England as a distinct habitat, and by that definition London is truly remarkable. The population of 8.3m shares the city with 13,000 species of wildlife that inhabit the conurbation's 3,000 parks, 30,000 allotments, two national nature reserves, 36 sites of special scientific interest and 142 local nature reserves.

A massive 47% of London is green space, making it one of the greenest cities in the world for its size. It is home to the world's largest urban forest and its 3.8m gardens cover 24% of the capital.

Why Greater London should be made into an urban national park -Guardian

Key London Figures – Greenspace Information for Greater London

Trees and woodlands | London City Hall - Greater London Authority

London is a forest – who knew? | Patrick Barkham | Opinion | The Guardian





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Old 02-15-2018, 08:21 PM
 
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When I think of leafy city ..... I don't just think of number or % of just more manicured city park space and nature preserves. I think of trees and some green-frontage along neighborhood streets. Compact and urban is added to the criteria here also.

Though US cities will have overall lower density then European cities. Due to far more single-family homes to 2-3 flat that still amount to 3-stories of less. Many have tree-lined streets and degrees of green-frontage. I'm not referring to sprawling suburban frontage. But still very close-knit housing in their version of urbanity.

I will use Chicago as a leafy American-density urban city. Because it has a standard frontage of city lots between home/sidewalk and street. It tends to have tree-lined neighborhoods that can push higher then 3-story housing. Different eras offer different styles to some preferring trees to some more a front-lawn look. Older Aldo has largest trees.

These street-view would be very-leafy urban versions in that city.

Late 1800s Gilded-Age Victorian features.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9225...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9229...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9118...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9148...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9049...7i13312!8i6656

Late 1800s to Early 1900s

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9207...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9022...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9152...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9314...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9312...7i13312!8i6656

Mixture 1900 -1920s

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9355...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9261...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9350...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7728...7i13312!8i6656

Workman's Cottages early 1900's today

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9477...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9211...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9223...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9222...7i13312!8i6656

2-flats 1920s 30s

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9487...7i13312!8i6656

Bungalow-belt 1920s

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9323...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9403...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9351...7i13312!8i6656

Newer infill among the older

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9379...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9154...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9153...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9465...7i13312!8i6656

Main streets generally do not have the trees or green-frontage.
This one has a "European" feel but not the neighborhoods probably.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9362...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9395...7i13312!8i6656

Late 1950s Early 1960s last growth of city proper.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7880...7i13312!8i6656

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Old 02-15-2018, 10:38 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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In terms of a map of London's green spaces Time Out recently published a map just showing the green space.

This gorgeously verdant map shows all of London's green bits - Time Out
Nice map. This is why I love living south of the river, so much green space!
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Old 02-16-2018, 04:21 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Nice map. This is why I love living south of the river, so much green space!


Totally Agree - there are some wonderful green areas in South London, and London as a whole is blessed with lots of really interesting and beautiful green space.

I also like the idea of green roofs where the city in the more dense areas of London and the Camden High Line would also be a welcome addition in terms of more green space. It also should be noted that London's Olympic site, which is now the Queen Elizabeth Park has been succesfully landscaped and made use of after the olymPics and is a an enviromentally sustainable area.

Mayor: Let's help make London the world's first National Park City

Green roofs - City of London

Green Roofs in Central London | Better Buildings Partnership

Kew Gardens

Parklands and playgrounds | Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park


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Old 02-16-2018, 07:11 PM
 
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[quote=DavePa;51040673]When I think of leafy city ..... I don't just think of number or % of just more manicured city park space and nature preserves. I think of trees and some green-frontage along neighborhood streets. Compact and urban is added to the criteria here also.

Though US cities will have overall lower density then European cities. Due to far more single-family homes to 2-3 flat that still amount to 3-stories of less. Many have tree-lined streets and degrees of green-frontage. I'm not referring to sprawling suburban frontage. But still very close-knit housing in their version of urbanity.

I will use Chicago as a leafy American-density urban city. Because it has a standard frontage of city lots between home/sidewalk and street. It tends to have tree-lined neighborhoods that can push higher then 3-story housing. Different eras offer different styles to some preferring trees to some more a front-lawn look. Older Aldo has largest trees.

These street-view would be very-leafy urban versions in that city.

Late 1800s Gilded-Age Victorian features.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9225...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9229...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9118...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9148...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9049...7i13312!8i6656

Late 1800s to Early 1900s

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9207...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9022...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9152...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9314...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9312...7i13312!8i6656

Mixture 1900 -1920s

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9355...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9261...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9350...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7728...7i13312!8i6656

Workman's Cottages early 1900's today

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9477...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9211...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9223...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9222...7i13312!8i6656

2-flats 1920s 30s

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9487...7i13312!8i6656

Bungalow-belt 1920s

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9323...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9403...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9351...7i13312!8i6656

Newer infill among the older

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9379...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9154...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9153...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9465...7i13312!8i6656

Main streets generally do not have the trees or green-frontage.
This one has a "European" feel but not the neighborhoods probably.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9362...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9395...7i13312!8i6656

Late 1950s Early 1960s last growth of city proper.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7880...7i13312!8i6656[)

Beautiful pictures showcasing much of the beautiful side of Chicago many don't necessarily see (beyond the Mag Mile corridor)
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Old 02-17-2018, 03:40 AM
 
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New York City actuallu has some nice green space, Central Park always looks amazing and then you have the likes of Bryant Park, Battery Park etc, and the city has big parks in the Bronx and other boroughs, and it has a lot of marine life as well as greenery due to the vast exoense of water that surrounds Manhattan and the boroughs.

The greening of Fresh Kills on Staten Island, which was the big rubbish/garbage dump has also led to the city being much more environmentally friendly.

I am sure a lot of major North American and indeed Commonwealth Cities are quite green as they were often planned to incorporate parks and urban spaces, and the poster above clearly demonstatrates the greenery in Chicago.

Australia, New Zealand, Canada all have very green cities, however in terms of green major cities Sydeney, Melbourne, Auckland and Vancouverr, all spring to mind.
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