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Old 02-09-2018, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Britain's membership of the EU has made this impossible, perhaps after Brexit? Who knows.
I'd be totally game for it including New Zealand. All 4 countries are highly developed so it would work out very well actually. I think it would be an economic boost because people could work to their potential in the country of best fit
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Old 02-09-2018, 07:19 PM
 
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It's more like Australia, NZ and Canada have lost interest in the monarchy. There have been proposals for Australia to be become a republic since at least the 1980s, perhaps earlier.

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The UK lost it's place as the dominant trading partner due to the logistics of the 21st century. Britain is no longer the dominant power in the world, although it remains a respectable force.
Also, this ^

But OP, what is behind your interest in Australia shedding all "British aspects"? How would this argument, if it became a reality, help Australia? A lot of it would be just symbolic or law-based, because Australia's statutory independence from the UK began in 1931 with the Statue of Westminster and the severing of legal ties to the UK in the Australian justice system was enacted in 1986 with the Australia Act (though it retained the involvement of the Crown in Australia's constitution). The much deeper, more enmeshed ties to the UK are cultural or roots based, thus they are endemic to our society and our people. These are going to be much harder to shake, even if we do become a republic.

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Old 02-09-2018, 07:29 PM
 
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It's more like Australia, NZ and Canada have lost interest in the monarchy. There have been proposals for Australia to be become a republic since at least the 1980s, perhaps earlier.
Well Australia did have a referendum on this topic over a decade ago, yet it meant that if Australia would be a republic then, then the head of state will be unelected and it was even off putting for many Republicans.

The current head of state of Australia was once leader of the Republican movement, yet he has no plans during his government to change it, yet he has indicated it be up for discussion when the current Queen passes on. The current Opposition leader wants a referendum and plans to do it when he is elected, however there is no indication there is high level support for this to change it and according to polls most Australians don't like to see the Republican agenda pushed in the meantime, despite some politicians calling for it.
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Old 02-09-2018, 07:34 PM
 
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Absolutely! I am following this with baited breath and see where it goes

CANZUK International Promoting Closer Ties Between Canada, Australia, New Zealand & The United Kingdom
I would add the US to the list. Then we can have a full party.
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Old 02-10-2018, 04:25 AM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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I feel like half the populations of the UK and Canada would head to Australia in the first month.
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Old 02-10-2018, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Sydney Australia
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And half of our population would head to the UK, as they have for generations. If we are lucky they come back. My daughter worked in the US, Canada and the UK but came back for the need of family. Loved the UK. We do too, actually.
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Old 02-10-2018, 05:03 AM
 
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I feel like half the populations of the UK and Canada would head to Australia in the first month.
Well I not sure about Canadian immigrants, but a large proportion of people from the UK that move to Australia move back to the UK.
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Old 02-10-2018, 07:45 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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As an American, I find monarchies repugnant and I can't understand how so-called progressive peoples would allow themselves to become the subjects of a hereditary sovereign. Monarchy is the antithesis of meritocracy, of equal opportunity before the law, of allegiance to nation and not a person and to the ideal that what matters in the world is what you do and not the family you're born into.

Hopefully once Queen Elizabeth II dies, the Commonwealth Realm can wake up and stop obsessing over a family of inbred royals and the lascivious, obscene and undeserved wealth. Thank goodness for the American Revolution and the French Revolution.


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The Queen as HOS in Canada has a limited ceremonial role. The only time she would get involved politically is if things really went down the toilet politically and even then it would be the Governor General performing those tasks in practice. The GG in Canada and Australia are Canadian and Australian citizens. These are stable democracies. Canada and Australia are consistently ranked highly on practically every QOL, SOL, Freedoms lists you can muster so I think our democracies are doing just fine. As one who lives in the land of Trump as you do and what is it now, the second government shutdown in less than a month - I'll take the Queen, Prince Charles, Prince William, Prince George as HOS over that orange buffoon any day.
I was about to say. As Americans, we have absolutely no business criticizing ANY other modern country who's democracy actually works well and takes good care of its people. Monarchies only seem repugnant because we've been fed that crap since the cradle and American sheeple rarely question what their told.
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Old 02-10-2018, 07:49 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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This applies to the US, as well.



As an American, I am indifferent to the monarchy. Also, you seem to not understand the role of the modern monarchy of the UK. One could argue that they are a money sink (though there is an argument that they bring in money, as well) and they certainly have no bearing on meritocracy or opportunity for the average UK citizen.

Do the members of the royal family enjoy advantages due to their inheritance ? Yes. But unlike America, they cannot parley that into becoming head of state.
Exactly. Excellent reply and yes, the Royal family is and has always been constantly in American media. Americans mourned the death of Princess Diana as much as the commonwealth did.
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Old 02-10-2018, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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I was about to say. As Americans, we have absolutely no business criticizing ANY other modern country who's democracy actually works well and takes good care of its people. Monarchies only seem repugnant because we've been fed that crap since the cradle and American sheeple rarely question what their told.
Well a certain poster who's handle starts with a M always has a flair for the dramatic... I don't lump the American people into one bucket and never will so no worries

As for the Monarchy and more specifically the Sovereign in their role as HOS of various Commonwealth realms, I think the Queen has done so much to actually strengthen the role. I am actually quite fond of her. Despite what people say of Prince Charles, I think he'll be a wonderful HOS as well. My partner actually met him and as expected, extremely gracious and very inquisitive. I consider this a part of our heritage and the monarchy especially under QE II has done a remarkable job. Now she is like the wise old Grandmother and in world affairs, she has been a constant, consistent steady hand.
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