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Old 02-10-2018, 08:50 PM
 
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The part I mentioned earlier....The US will NOT align it's foreign policy with other countries, which is part of the mandate set out by CANZUK.

Canada's foreign policy differs in some major aspects than the US.

Also as said, the US is just too big to allow free movement of people to these other countries. The chance of being overwhelmed is greater.
While that may be true, that also applies to the UK. Both the UK and Australia joined the US in Iraq by sending combat ready troops.

In fact, if we look at foreign policy exclusively, Canada and NZ are outliers and even then only partially. Canada sent troops to Afghanistan and took part in air strikes in Syria. The foreign policy goals of these countries are more or less aligned even if some actors are more active than others.

The fact that the US is so big is precisely why I want it.

This isn't going to be another EU. All countries will still maintain sovereignty.
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Old 02-11-2018, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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And the US is a mess right now. Disunity is the highest it's been since the 1860's. We'd be lucky to remain united, nevermind a union with any other countries.
This is what actually breaks my heart about what is happening in the U.S right now. Canadians aren't Americans, but we tend to see things happening with you and are impacted by that more than any nation. That is why we may be a little judgmental - it is us saying to our big buddy wtf are you doing On the flip - if there is long term fragmentation of the U.S, there may be a situation where greater unity with other nations starts making sense. Especially the parts of the U.S whose values are more aligned with the general values of other nations.
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Old 02-11-2018, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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I honestly don't think the US would want to be part of CANZUK even if they were invited to join at least in its current form. I can't see the US opening their borders to any other country to be honest unless they were to become a part of the US which is a non starter for pretty much any other country.
I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head with this.
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Old 02-11-2018, 11:10 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Absolutely! I am following this with baited breath and see where it goes

CANZUK International Ė Promoting Closer Ties Between Canada, Australia, New Zealand & The United Kingdom
I think something along the lines of this project is inevitable, especially if Trump pulls us (the United States) out of NAFTA as he did with the TPP. An economic pact is virtually certain as is freedom of movement for CANZUK citizens, the other proposals (ie: regarding military integration) I think are less certain although I did hear that the Royal Canadian Navy will be collaborating with the Royal Australian Navy and the British Royal Navy on the Global Combat Ship/Type 26 frigate program.
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Old 02-11-2018, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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While that may be true, that also applies to the UK. Both the UK and Australia joined the US in Iraq by sending combat ready troops.

In fact, if we look at foreign policy exclusively, Canada and NZ are outliers and even then only partially. Canada sent troops to Afghanistan and took part in air strikes in Syria. The foreign policy goals of these countries are more or less aligned even if some actors are more active than others.

The fact that the US is so big is precisely why I want it.

This isn't going to be another EU. All countries will still maintain sovereignty.
US foreign policy is based on??? Oil mostly. Australia and the UK most likely regret their decision to join the US in that fracas.

The example you gave of Iraq is a perfect example of WHY I wouldn't want to align Canada's foreign policy with the US. We were right not to join the illegal war..which turned out to be all lies.

A friend lost a brother in-law from the UK because of that mistake.

As for maintaining sovereignty, that would be more difficult if the US were thrown into the mix.
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Old 02-11-2018, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Tulsa
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What's wrong with being in a union with the US? You're already in NATO. It's easy to view the other three countries more favorably then the US, when they are much smaller and therefore leave a smaller footprint.
The US has the second largest Spanish speaking population in the world.

Culturally itís not that Anglo as you believe. The percentage of Anglos will drop below 50 pretty soon.
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Old 02-11-2018, 10:58 PM
 
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I think something along the lines of this project is inevitable, especially if Trump pulls us (the United States) out of NAFTA as he did with the TPP.
Not sure about that; today there is not enough common economic and political interests in common between Aus, the UK, Canada and NZ to really bind them together except for peripheral issues. Aus and NZ are focussed economically and politically on the Asia-Pacific region, and the US will remain Australia's most significant security partner, and a major trade partner, followed by regional allies like Singapore or Japan. The US will still be Canada most important trade and security partner, and the UK's future will still be largely defined in terms of its relationship with the EU and NATO.
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Old 02-12-2018, 12:15 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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This is what actually breaks my heart about what is happening in the U.S right now. Canadians aren't Americans, but we tend to see things happening with you and are impacted by that more than any nation. That is why we may be a little judgmental - it is us saying to our big buddy wtf are you doing On the flip - if there is long term fragmentation of the U.S, there may be a situation where greater unity with other nations starts making sense. Especially the parts of the U.S whose values are more aligned with the general values of other nations.
The US would have to break up for any part of it to form a union with other nations. It is already well known that the values of California, and to a lesser extent, Oregon and Washington, are more in line with Canada than they are to say, Utah, Alabama or Texas.
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Old 02-12-2018, 03:37 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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The US has the second largest Spanish speaking population in the world.

Culturally itís not that Anglo as you believe. The percentage of Anglos will drop below 50 pretty soon.
Culturally the US is still a VERY Anglo country, despite the 'stick' it sometimes gets it still has VERY strong links with all the other Anglo countries, popular culture and language are VERY strong bonds. It may not be part of the Commonwealth but we are talking about an 'Anglo' union/friendship here and the US should be included.
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:44 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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The US has the second largest Spanish speaking population in the world.

Culturally itís not that Anglo as you believe. The percentage of Anglos will drop below 50 pretty soon.
Hardly. The percentage of Spanish speakers has actually declined slightly over the last 10 years.

The US is still firmly an Anglo country. No one (outside of City-Data at least) would ever question this fact. So yes, a simple union of Anglo countries should include the US since it is after all, the largest Anglo country.
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