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Old 04-05-2018, 11:27 AM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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The big difference is that most developed countries have either emerged recently, or had to rebuild after destructive wars. So other countries have a planned infrastructure for modern times, while the USA is still duct-taping the old one together and bending it to make it fit.
Very true. People mock the condition of airports like JFK, but one must realize that JFK was the prototype for major international airports. Other countries have the benefit of improving on its design with newer more modern construction techniques, and the latest airports are iterations on iterations, while JFK is now kind of a museum of mid-20th century airport infrastructure.

The same can be said for the New York City subway. It can't hold a candle to more modern (and honestly often smaller, more managable/flexible systems) underground transit systems, but if you consider the fact that it is basically 100 years old, it is impressive (when it is working properly :-)

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Can someone overlay those maps with a population density map?
Yes. These maps are basically uniformative without population information.

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Well, the U.S. COULD build them. It's expensive, but the U.S. is more about building military bases abroad, and infrastructure in countries that it bombs.
Wow. Political hyperbole in a discussion about trains and 4G coverage. Stereotypical self-loathing expat much?
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Old 04-05-2018, 11:31 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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The US is falling behind in many respects. The highway system is falling into disrepair. If you do a major road trip you realize how bad it is.
Trump has proposed doing an extreme makeover of the U.S. highway and road infrastructure.

But so far, it's just talk and of course it's going to cost a lot of money. Probably $1.5 trillion.
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Old 04-05-2018, 11:46 AM
 
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Very true. People mock the condition of airports like JFK, but one must realize that JFK was the prototype for major international airports. Other countries have the benefit of improving on its design with newer more modern construction techniques, and the latest airports are iterations on iterations, while JFK is now kind of a museum of mid-20th century airport infrastructure.

The same can be said for the New York City subway. It can't hold a candle to more modern (and honestly often smaller, more managable/flexible systems) underground transit systems, but if you consider the fact that it is basically 100 years old, it is impressive (when it is working properly :-)



Yes. These maps are basically uniformative without population information.



Wow. Political hyperbole in a discussion about trains and 4G coverage. Stereotypical self-loathing expat much?
The saddest thing is new metro projects are no better than the projects built half a century to a century ago in in Boston, NYC or Europe. LAs new metro system is just as modern as the BOSTON T even though its pretty much built in the 21st century.
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Old 04-05-2018, 01:03 PM
 
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Does it? Maybe outside of Tokyo but inside the city it's more of a hassle to own a car than a convenience. There's so many extra taxes and fees.
People in Manhattan don't drive either. Not even in Boston (city proper)
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Old 04-05-2018, 01:50 PM
 
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Given the traffic in NYC, Boston, and Tokyo, it seems plenty of people drive there.
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Old 04-05-2018, 02:15 PM
 
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Given the traffic in NYC, Boston, and Tokyo, it seems plenty of people drive there.
Many drivers are not local. And many cars on the streets are not private cars.
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Old 04-05-2018, 03:01 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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NYC, DC, Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia and San Francisco are the "Big 6" U.S. cities where you don't need a car to get around in most places you would want to go within city limits (and to some extent, in the nearby suburbs). These are the cities with the best public transportation and greatest walkability. If you're just visiting any one of these cities individually, then you can absolutely do without a car.

Seattle and New Orleans get honorable mentions.

LA, on the other hand, is totally the opposite. You must have a car there because everything you want to see is spread out many, many miles apart. It is not designed like these other cities.
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Old 04-05-2018, 03:38 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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You can't really compare them, American cities were built in a different era than most other world cities and its just all a different ball game...
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Old 04-05-2018, 04:00 PM
 
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You can't really compare them, American cities were built in a different era than most other world cities and its just all a different ball game...
How so? Most European cities are older, yet have superior public transportation.
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Old 04-05-2018, 04:17 PM
 
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Well, the U.S. COULD build them. It's expensive, but the U.S. is more about building military bases abroad, and infrastructure in countries that it bombs.

It just isn't interested in domestic issues. It would just have to divert it's money away from its primary goals to do that. But, this generation of Americans is fairly strongly against any kind of investment that goes into America - whether it's public education, or anything else...Americans are just against it. They do seem to be for wars though.
Military expenditure still only amounts to about 4% of the GDP. The US has all the necessary means to fund a HSR project. The question is whether there is demand. Greysholic is right in stating that density plays a critical role. There's a reason why neither Canada nor Australia have any HSR service running as of right now despite both of them being developed nations.
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