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View Poll Results: San Jose vs Vancouver: which is a better city?
Vancouver 29 85.29%
San Jose 5 14.71%
Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-27-2018, 09:15 PM
BMI
 
Location: Ontario
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My take:

Population: San Jose, no question about that: 1,046,000 compared to 700,000 Vancouver
Economy: San Jose- high tech capital of the world. No dispute here
Weather: San Jose- of course!
Downtown: San Jose- at least it's not an unattractive city center like Vancouver's, berated by Mercer
Shopping: San Jose- all the way!
Scenery: tie

San Jose got this covered- just about every metric
Population

You know Vancouver is bigger and much more dense.

Vancouver ...city only 631,000 but in just 44 square miles.

San Jose ....city 1,046,000 but in a much larger area of 179 square miles.

Vancouver Metro population ....about 2.5 million

San Jose Metro population ....about 1.9 million
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Old 04-28-2018, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario
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Iím waiting for a San Jose vs NYC thread, surprised he hasnít started one yet
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Old 04-28-2018, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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My take:

Population: San Jose, no question about that: 1,046,000 compared to 700,000 Vancouver
Oh give me a break - the other criteria you can justify to a degree esp economy and weather but this one makes ZERO sense. Vancouver city without going into details is far more dense and compact as a city. As in most cases with U.S cities the population is always BLOATED given how sprawled out with super low density suburban exurban stuff that in no real way represents a 'city' unless you consider farms and low density single family housing development counts as a 'city' - S.F is an outlier in the bay area because it is a substantial, urban and dense city - more so than Vancouver but this vs is just San Jose vs Vancouver.

Greater Vancouver is over 2.5 million people but the city itself is 700K in a much more dense and compact real city than San Jose. San Jose has more people in its city by an arbitrary boundary. That 1 million is probably spread over almost the same land area as Greater Vancouver population 2.5 million itself.

Sure - if you go out to the Bay area than yeah - much more populated than Vancouver but San Jose is VERY distinct and separated from S.F.. Vancouver as a densely populated real city is far more 'city' than San Jose. I haven't researched but what area is Vancouver's 700K vs the 1 million for San Jose. Walking in the core of each isn't even close - Vancouver you feel like you are in a substantial, urban and dense 'city' - San Jose - umm not really lol...

If this thread was S.F vs Vancouver based on your criteria i'd give it to S.F.. For certain though, on the whole and as an urban city - Vancouver is closer to S.F than San Jose ever will be and you have to know that........
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Old 04-28-2018, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Iím waiting for a San Jose vs NYC thread, surprised he hasnít started one yet
I'm thinking maybe San Jose vs San Jose.. I mean San Jose Costa Rica... Of the two - San Jose Cali isn't even the better San Jose
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Old 04-28-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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Population

You know Vancouver is bigger and much more dense.

Vancouver ...city only 631,000 but in just 44 square miles.

San Jose ....city 1,046,000 but in a much larger area of 179 square miles.

Vancouver Metro population ....about 2.5 million

San Jose Metro population ....about 1.9 million
Metro SJ: 7 million! That was just Santa Clara county.
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Old 04-28-2018, 09:39 AM
 
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Oh give me a break - the other criteria you can justify to a degree esp economy and weather but this one makes ZERO sense. Vancouver city without going into details is far more dense and compact as a city. As in most cases with U.S cities the population is always BLOATED given how sprawled out with super low density suburban exurban stuff that in no real way represents a 'city' unless you consider farms and low density single family housing development counts as a 'city' - S.F is an outlier in the bay area because it is a substantial, urban and dense city - more so than Vancouver but this vs is just San Jose vs Vancouver.

Greater Vancouver is over 2.5 million people but the city itself is 700K in a much more dense and compact real city than San Jose. San Jose has more people in its city by an arbitrary boundary. That 1 million is probably spread over almost the same land area as Greater Vancouver population 2.5 million itself.

Sure - if you go out to the Bay area than yeah - much more populated than Vancouver but San Jose is VERY distinct and separated from S.F.. Vancouver as a densely populated real city is far more 'city' than San Jose. I haven't researched but what area is Vancouver's 700K vs the 1 million for San Jose. Walking in the core of each isn't even close - Vancouver you feel like you are in a substantial, urban and dense 'city' - San Jose - umm not really lol...

If this thread was S.F vs Vancouver based on your criteria i'd give it to S.F.. For certain though, on the whole and as an urban city - Vancouver is closer to S.F than San Jose ever will be and you have to know that........
San Jose is a real city you can get: large population, better downtown than Vancouver's, world class international airport, Capital of Silicon Valley, high tech capital of the world, world class shopping and wonderful arena/stadiums. It actually has more distinct diverse neighborhoods than Vancouver, looking at Little Saigon that actually make you think you're in Saigon.
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Old 04-28-2018, 09:57 AM
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San Jose is a real city you can get: large population, better downtown than Vancouver's, world class international airport, Capital of Silicon Valley, high tech capital of the world, world class shopping and wonderful arena/stadiums. It actually has more distinct diverse neighborhoods than Vancouver, looking at Little Saigon that actually make you think you're in Saigon.
Little Saigon....thatís nothing....

Go to Richmond, BC area of Metro Vancouver ....youíll think you are in China (say it like Trump).
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Old 04-28-2018, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Now to be fair, Vancouver has a neighbourhood, of a few blocks downtown that isn't as pretty. Most cities do. It's near the water https://bit.ly/2r5c1slĒ

You donít see anything like that in any of the cities of Australia. There used to be many homeless people concentred in a particular area of Sydney but it wasnít as bad as that pic and it doesnít exist anymore. It is just odd that for a city to be considered on the top three of ďmost liveable citiesĒ in the world has a terrible homeless issue and such a depressing place.
Re-read my post and see the link I gave to that neighbourhood.

Vancouver unsheltered homeless population was 539 persons. Mostly concentrated in that neighbourhood. The count done within the boundaries of Vancouver city's population of 631,000.

http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/homele...016-report.pdf

Within the city of Sydney's boundaries, the homeless count was 516 people, with a population of 208,000.

Homelessness - City of Sydney

Metro areas of course will change these numbers, but the point is Vancouver's homeless population is very concentrated and between two tourists spots, Gastown and Chinatown, so easily seen by all.
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Old 04-28-2018, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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San Jose is a real city you can get: large population, better downtown than Vancouver's, world class international airport, Capital of Silicon Valley, high tech capital of the world, world class shopping and wonderful arena/stadiums. It actually has more distinct diverse neighborhoods than Vancouver, looking at Little Saigon that actually make you think you're in Saigon.
San Jose's downtown is not better. It lacks so many things that Vancouver offers.

As for the airport.

YVR ranked best airport in North America for ninth straight year

Vancouver doesn't lack arenas or stadiums. We have two stadiums right downtown.

https://www.bcplace.com/the-stadium/the-roof

https://bit.ly/2r7UUFq

Little Saigon is nothing compared to Richmond BC. Major Chinese malls, hundreds of authentic restaurants, and a population that is now majority Chinese.

Chinese reach majority in Richmond

The East Indian population is large with two Vaishakh Parades in the area. Here's Vancouver's.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2knx33eW6U

Diversity that works so it makes world news.

Highway to Heaven - BBC News

...but keep going. LOL
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Old 04-28-2018, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Metro SJ: 7 million! That was just Santa Clara county.
Lol of course you have to leverage S.F to beat out Vancouver. Why didn't you just create the thread as Greater Vancouver vs Bay Area then?

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San Jose is a real city you can get: large population, better downtown than Vancouver's, world class international airport, Capital of Silicon Valley, high tech capital of the world, world class shopping and wonderful arena/stadiums. It actually has more distinct diverse neighborhoods than Vancouver, looking at Little Saigon that actually make you think you're in Saigon.
San Jose is alright but it isn't dense enough to hang with Vancouver. The 1 million in the city you quote Is over 180 sq miles the 700K people in the city of Vancouver are in 44 sq miles.... Think about that.. Vancouver is 2.5X as dense and that matters. It matters when you are walking in the core and it matters in terms of availability of things to do and proximity.

city population is also arbitrary but the density of an urban core is not. Vancouver doesn't just stop on the borders 44 sq miles and there are other cities contiguous with it but the city of Vancouver is a good measuring stick of a compact yet dense and urban core. S.F is the part of the Bay Area that is more equivalent to the urban density of Vancouver, not San Jose.. Heck even S.F is technically a 'smaller city' than San Jose. SF is 884K in 48 sq miles... Again, a snapshot of a compact yet dense urban core. When people visit San Francisco from around the world - what makes its mark is that 884K in 48 sq miles - not Oakland!

Which of the following are more city like - well... Let's see here

SF 884K in 48 sq miles
Van 700K in 44 sq miles

And lookiehere - the outlier by far San Jose with 1 million in 180 Sq Miles.... Have you ever done those tests where you look at a pattern to see which one is the most 'unlike' - kinda reminds me of that eh? The only thing I would say to try and be more fair to SJ is perhaps if you cut out a lot of the fat in San Jose's suburban sprawl it may be more compact and dense. If you capture the urban core of SJ to 44-48 sq miles and equivalent area to S.F and Van, I doubt it would be as populated or dense as either S.F or Vancouver city proper's because the nature of a city like SJ is more sprawl vs the likes of S.F and Van. You are pitting your city against one of the most dense and urban on the continent btw.

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