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Old 04-27-2018, 04:40 PM
 
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Those who traveled between North American countries and the carribean prior to 2000s North America was likely to remember the lax formalities on crossing from one country to the next. People used to cross land borders between Canada and Mexico barely just showing a birth certificate, baptismal certificate, or even a drivers license despite the fact that it doesn’t show proof of citizenship and sometimes they let them through just verbally declaring their country of birth or citizenship.
Though residents of European countries on the other hand back then had to show a passport just to cross from one country to the next.
Though all that changed starting from the 2000s when the Western hemisphere travel initiative requires specified travel documentations to travel between North American counties and the carribean. Often require a passport or other documentation proving citizenship.
Though with the introduction of the Shenigan area of the European Union land border controls have been greatly eliminated in most cases. And crossing between countries which once required immigration formalities is now like crossing a state border within the US.And over the years this privilege has been extended to neighboring countries outside the EU as well. Such as the ones in Eastern Europe.

Ever wondered what’s with the discrepancy with North America/carbbean tightening its border but European countries loosing their border controls in the 2000s. Even though both areas are dealing with threats of terror and, smuggling, refugees, and immigration.
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Old 04-27-2018, 09:15 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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9/11 changed all of that. The US started it and Mexico and Canada of course followed with their own versions. I do remember going into Tijuana either for shopping during the day or clubbing at night. Crossing into Mexico was as simple as walking through a revolving gate, nothing more. Coming back, we showed our ID and they would either ask, "country of birth, citizenship etc." or something similar and you would just get waved through.
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Old 04-27-2018, 09:17 PM
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Location: Ontario
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9/11 changed all of that. The US started it and Mexico and Canada of course followed with their own versions. I do remember going into Tijuana either for shopping during the day or clubbing at night. Crossing into Mexico was as simple as walking through a revolving gate, nothing more. Coming back, we showed our ID and they would either ask, "country of birth, citizenship etc." or something similar and you would just get waved through.
Yeah, crossing the bridge Juarez to El Paso on foot....just paid ten cents to cross
and couple of questions.
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Old 04-28-2018, 01:37 AM
 
Location: Australia
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Depends where you are from. I remember having to get and pay for full visas to travel to the US with our family in 1991. We basically had to prove that we had reason not to stay. We actually thought it was quite amusing and came up with reasons like having a mortgage, having employers, having a widowed and needy mother, having a dog, a swimming pool that needed cleaning!

Fast forward and we now do an ESTA online but are bracing ourselves for the lines at customs, the fingerprinting and so on.

Two years ago when we went to Italy, no visa required, we joked about how they do not seeem to care who comes into their country or what they bring. Someone stamped our passports without even glancing at us and the luggage inspection consisted of walking past a young lady who was absorbed on Facebook.
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Old 04-28-2018, 03:43 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Why North America keeps tightening border controls since 2000s while itís the opposite way around in Europe
Really?

Apparently you haven't been following the news in Europe recently and over the past several years.

Astounding!

Throughout history, "globalization" comes in cycles. Not every place on the planet is on the same phase of the cycle at the exact same time. At any rate, the spigots are closing on the latest phase of the cycle, too many people have become sick of it.

That doesn't mean that the spigots won't become a gusher in 20, 50, 100 years.

May you live to experience how that feels.

Good Luck!
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Old 04-28-2018, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Is it really difficult to come into Canada now than pre 2000? Actually Canada recently lifted the Visa requirements for Mexicans visiting our country and they can now come in Visa free thanks to the Trudeau government. Americans coming into Canada DON'T even need a passport - a Driver's License is all they need! It is the U.S government that requires everyone including Americans to have a passport when entering the U.S. The only reason Americans need a passport to come to Canada is because their own government requires that for them to re-enter the U.S not because Canada requires it. We're chillax about our American friends - their border patrol not so much lol... Seriously though - Imagine that - an American entering Canada only needs to show Canada Customs a Driver's license but same American entering the U.S must show Passport. I think Canada recently implemented some sort of Electronic visa for Europeans but from what I know it is like the Australian requirements and are pretty minimal and basic questions. For most European's it is simply not an issue and is more a questionnaire than 'VISA'
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Old 04-28-2018, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Is it really difficult to come into Canada now than pre 2000? Actually Canada recently lifted the Visa requirements for Mexicans visiting our country and they can now come in Visa free thanks to the Trudeau government. Americans coming into Canada DON'T even need a passport - a Driver's License is all they need! It is the U.S government that requires everyone including Americans to have a passport when entering the U.S. The only reason Americans need a passport to come to Canada is because their own government requires that for them to re-enter the U.S not because Canada requires it. We're chillax about our American friends - their border patrol not so much lol... Seriously though - Imagine that - an American entering Canada only needs to show Canada Customs a Driver's license but same American entering the U.S must show Passport. I think Canada recently implemented some sort of Electronic visa for Europeans but from what I know it is like the Australian requirements and are pretty minimal and basic questions. For most European's it is simply not an issue and is more a questionnaire than 'VISA'
To clarify, an Enhanced Driver's License is needed, not a regular one. Also, not all states and provinces offer Enhanced Driver's Licenses.

Here's BC's.

http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing.../edl-guide.pdf
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Old 04-28-2018, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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To clarify, an Enhanced Driver's License is needed, not a regular one. Also, not all states and provinces offer Enhanced Driver's Licenses.

Here's BC's.

http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing.../edl-guide.pdf
Gotcha - thanks for the clarification Nat. Used to be able to with just a normal D.L. which is still possible for Americans entering Canada along with a Birth certificate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...Canada_by_land

Canadian law requires that all persons entering Canada must carry proof of both citizenship and identity.[1] A valid U.S. passport[1] or passport card[1] is preferred, although a birth certificate, naturalization certificate, citizenship certificate, or another document proving U.S. nationality, together with a government-issued photo ID (such as a driver's license) are acceptable to establish identity and nationality
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Old 04-28-2018, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Gotcha - thanks for the clarification Nat. Used to be able to with just a normal D.L. which is still possible for Americans entering Canada along with a Birth certificate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...Canada_by_land

Canadian law requires that all persons entering Canada must carry proof of both citizenship and identity.[1] A valid U.S. passport[1] or passport card[1] is preferred, although a birth certificate, naturalization certificate, citizenship certificate, or another document proving U.S. nationality, together with a government-issued photo ID (such as a driver's license) are acceptable to establish identity and nationality
Yes it's still possible, but Canadian Customs still asks Americans if they have the proper ID to get back into the US.

I remember the days when they didn't even ask for ID. They would just ask if you were Canadian, and took your word for it.

After 911 crossing became hell. Over the top rude guards.

Now it's better. Having your passport they can see at one glance who you are and your record or lack of one.
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Old 04-28-2018, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Earth
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9/11

blame jihad and america's addition to drugs which causes refugees from central america and cartels
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