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Old 05-10-2018, 02:00 PM
 
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No where but on these forums is the definition of a city debatable.
That's because on these forums, people understand urbanity more than most...we understand that the city borders of a place may not be a true representation of the actual scale of the area in question
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Old 05-10-2018, 07:43 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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That's because on these forums, people understand urbanity more than most...we understand that the city borders of a place may not be a true representation of the actual scale of the area in question
So the rest of the world doesn't get it but a plucky band of people on this forum do? LOL just LOL

By that logic, why stick to a states borders? You can get a true representation of the actual scale of the area in question by just including the entire country. Why stop there? Canada's population isn't 36 million. A better representation would be to say North America has 363,844,490. LOL Yeah
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Old 05-11-2018, 10:20 AM
 
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So the rest of the world doesn't get it but a plucky band of people on this forum do? LOL just LOL

By that logic, why stick to a states borders? You can get a true representation of the actual scale of the area in question by just including the entire country. Why stop there? Canada's population isn't 36 million. A better representation would be to say North America has 363,844,490. LOL Yeah
When you discuss the concept of «*Los Angeles*» with a European, do you exclude Santa Monica?

Do anyone, anywhere, really consider El Paso and Jacksonville to be among the largest cities in the US?

You can always disagree with extremely technical issues regarding the definition of a metro area or an urban area but arguing that idiots are idiots does not prove your point, this has nothing to do with CD membership.
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Old 05-11-2018, 10:46 AM
 
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So the rest of the world doesn't get it but a plucky band of people on this forum do? LOL just LOL

By that logic, why stick to a states borders? You can get a true representation of the actual scale of the area in question by just including the entire country. Why stop there? Canada's population isn't 36 million. A better representation would be to say North America has 363,844,490. LOL Yeah
No one in their right mind would actually think that DC is not one of the largest cities in the countries.

When you have one city with 5-10x times the land area of another, it doesn't make sense to use city borders as a measure of population.
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Old 05-11-2018, 11:18 AM
 
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So the rest of the world doesn't get it but a plucky band of people on this forum do? LOL just LOL

By that logic, why stick to a states borders? You can get a true representation of the actual scale of the area in question by just including the entire country. Why stop there? Canada's population isn't 36 million. A better representation would be to say North America has 363,844,490. LOL Yeah
A plucky band of people who happened to be interested in urbanity in its various forms does understand issues such as these more than the majority of the world that doesn't care about these matters...why does this surprise you?...now, does this mean that city-data is full of experts? far from it...does this mean nobody else knows this stuff? far from it...you stated something that was technically correct and someone on city-data provided more data to give a more realistic picture of the size of a place...what was so wrong with that?


Earlier in this thread, Trinidad and Tobago was listed as a country whose capital was not its largest city...I provided more information so that persons who are unfamiliar would not get the wrong impression...the metro area of Trinidad and Tobago's capital city, Port of Spain, has about half of the twin island's population and is easily its largest urban center...city-data has its issues but highlighting the city vs metro vs urban area population and size dynamic is not one of them
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Old 05-11-2018, 08:08 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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A plucky band of people who happened to be interested in urbanity in its various forms does understand issues such as these more than the majority of the world that doesn't care about these matters...why does this surprise you?...now, does this mean that city-data is full of experts? far from it...does this mean nobody else knows this stuff? far from it...you stated something that was technically correct and someone on city-data provided more data to give a more realistic picture of the size of a place...what was so wrong with that?


Earlier in this thread, Trinidad and Tobago was listed as a country whose capital was not its largest city...I provided more information so that persons who are unfamiliar would not get the wrong impression...the metro area of Trinidad and Tobago's capital city, Port of Spain, has about half of the twin island's population and is easily its largest urban center...city-data has its issues but highlighting the city vs metro vs urban area population and size dynamic is not one of them
If you say so LOL
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Old 05-12-2018, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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Gentoo, your wrong. Everyone I talk too in America at least understands the concept of Metropolitan area whether consciously or unconsciously. I have yet to meet someone tell me their from Eden Prairie, Minnesota although I have met several people from there, most of them say their from Minneapolis when talking to people in Texas. When they go internationally they are saying the closest major city. Because most people realize that the suburb they live in is part of a city and developed because of a city. About the only people who don't do it are people from the Inland Empire in CA, as for them claiming LA is hard when they live 70+ miles away.

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Old 05-13-2018, 04:05 PM
 
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That's because on these forums, people understand urbanity more than most...we understand that the city borders of a place may not be a true representation of the actual scale of the area in question
Not only that, but the definition of a city is arbitrary. There is no general consensus on what may or may not be included. That's why we get cities (excluding their metros) of various different sizes. It's up to city planners to determine where a city ends and a metro starts.
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Old 05-13-2018, 06:06 PM
 
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India, USA, Australia, Germany, Canada, Brazil, Italy, Turkey, Poland, Vietnam, Nigeria, Pakistan to name a few countries where the capital is not the largest metro area.
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Old 05-13-2018, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Brisbane
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Not only that, but the definition of a city is arbitrary. There is no general consensus on what may or may not be included. That's why we get cities (excluding their metros) of various different sizes. It's up to city planners to determine where a city ends and a metro starts.
Canberra is technically not even a city. It does not have a mayor or local government.
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