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Old 06-04-2018, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, TX
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It depends on what the benchmark is. For example, in Saudi Arabia, allowing women to drive is a liberal idea. Therefore, since women are allowed to drive mostly everywhere, then the world is a liberal place. Then, there are countries like the Philippines where abortion and divorce are both illegal, but a transsexual can be elected for public office and women have been elected presidents several times now.
It goes more than that. We could be reverse about allowing guys to be fathers.
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Old 06-04-2018, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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How would you know this though. Do you have some binding and objective standard by which to compare values and ethics so that you might conclude, for example, that certain traditional family values are superior or inferior to your own?
I don't base my view on statistical outcomes, but the notion that individuals choose what is right for them.
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Old 06-04-2018, 01:14 PM
 
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I don't base my view on statistical outcomes, but the notion that individuals choose what is right for them.
Have you ever been morally outraged at a culture different to yours, doing something that is part of their tradition.
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Old 06-04-2018, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Have you ever been morally outraged at a culture different to yours, doing something that is part of their tradition.
Yes, but only when that tradition forces an individual to do something hey don't believe in.
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Old 06-04-2018, 01:23 PM
 
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Yes, but only when that tradition forces an individual to do something hey don't believe in.
If you think individuals have the right to choose what is right and wrong for themselves, then surely you'd have no justification to be outraged by another culture when they do something that is acceptable according to their tradition.

Even if that means forcing people to do something they don't believe in.
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Old 06-04-2018, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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If you think individuals have the right to choose what is right and wrong for them, then surely you'd have no justification to be outraged by another culture when they do something that is morally acceptable according to their own tradition.
It's when a culture decides what is right for all people, that I have a problem.
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Old 06-04-2018, 01:36 PM
 
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It's when a culture decides what is right for all people, that I have a problem.
Culture simply refers to the prevailing trends, attitudes, ethics and values of a population. It doesn't necessarily imply ethics and values imposed by fiat. Let's consider cultures in which people choose for themselves to be part of those prevailing values.
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Old 06-04-2018, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Culture simply refers to the prevailing trends, attitudes, ethics and values of a population. It doesn't necessarily imply ethics and values imposed by fiat. Let's consider cultures in which people choose for themselves to be part of those prevailing values.
I was just using culture, in response to your question

If people choose for themselves, that's fine, but what if they can't?
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Old 06-04-2018, 01:47 PM
 
Location: S.W. British Columbia
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The world as a whole, without cultural boundaries into account, would you say is conservative or liberal?


It is neither. It is just careless. Taking into consideration a population of 7.6 billion people that is increasing daily, and the mindless destruction being wreaked on earth during humanity's march to self-imposed extinction, I would say that conservatism and liberalism are irrelevant and ridiculous. I would say that the world as a whole, speaking of humanity only, is extremely selfish and careless in a way that overwhelms and makes light of either conservatism or liberalism regardless of all cultural boundaries. When a species is blindly working towards causing its own extinction and the extinction of all other living things on earth why would anybody care about if that species is conservative or liberal about it?


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Old 06-04-2018, 01:48 PM
 
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I was just using culture, in response to your question

If people choose for themselves, that's fine, but what if they can't?
Why would the autocratic powers that dictate those rules not be entitled to their own right to choose what is right and wrong.

Perhaps in their eyes they are doing what is right in the best interests of the public.

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