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Old 07-23-2018, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Yes, it's been a case since Soviet times, I can attest to that.
Moscow attracts intellectuals and morons. But intellectuals stay within their own circle, while you have to deal deal with morons everywhere else, while in Moscow)))

If I were a tourist, ( particularly on a short trip,) I'd definitely prefer St. Petersburg.
But if I were a journalist/politician/wheeler and dealer overall, I'd head to Moscow.
Because that's where things are happening, that's where the social life of the country is, people that matter, night life and all. Moscow is a pulse of social life in Russia, for better or for worse.
St. Petersburg is mostly dead in this respect. It's a city-museum for the most part.
It was revived may be 15-20 years ago, but it all went back to "normal," unfortunately so.
How do other cities compare such as Novosibirsk, Yekaterinburg, Nizhny-Novgorod, Kazan, Rostov-on-Don etc. would these be considered attractive cities to live and work in? Are people starting to move from Moscow into these cities trying to avoid the expenses and traffic, or is Moscow still a giant black whole sucking in all of Russia's wealth and population?
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Old 07-23-2018, 02:55 PM
 
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How do other cities compare such as Novosibirsk, Yekaterinburg, Nizhny-Novgorod, Kazan, Rostov-on-Don etc. would these be considered attractive cities to live and work in? Are people starting to move from Moscow into these cities trying to avoid the expenses and traffic, or is Moscow still a giant black whole sucking in all of Russia's wealth and population?
I have no numbers, just from "observations and assumptions" lol;

It seems that Moscow still is the giant sucking black hole, but not near as bad as it was the last two decades. A lot of other cities are getting massive investments into industries there, and the federal government all in all, does not want everything to be consolidated in Moscow. There are less and less people fleeing these cities for Moscow, and more growth in population and GDP for these cities.

Moscow also has/had the reputation of the adventurous place to go to, kind of like "go west" in the US. That is slowly eroding away and fewer people are scrambling trying to get to Moscow, but it still has that California/NYC type reputation as the "place to get to" for many people.
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Old 07-23-2018, 03:14 PM
 
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Thank you for your input. So it sounds like your perception of Moscow that is not so flattering is more based upon the trevails of long term living (people, headaches, etc.) as for a 3-7 day visit to the Metropolitan Region which would be my eventual main purpose.

Regarding black whole, it does still seem to be quite the power (I think the last list I saw had it ranked as 8th highest metropolitan GDP in the world), but that is good to see that other areas are getting certain aspects also.
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Old 07-24-2018, 10:56 AM
 
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How do other cities compare such as Novosibirsk, Yekaterinburg, Nizhny-Novgorod, Kazan, Rostov-on-Don etc. would these be considered attractive cities to live and work in? Are people starting to move from Moscow into these cities trying to avoid the expenses and traffic, or is Moscow still a giant black whole sucking in all of Russia's wealth and population?
I am sure Grega, there are other cities out there that are attractive to move to ( and may be they even have higher standards of living than Moscow - I didn't look into it.)
But Moscow still remains the place "where things are happening" and thus still remains a magnet for many.
And as long as it stays this way, it will remain a "black hole" sucking out money and energy from the rest of the country.
Moscow ( and people living there) still remain the subject of disdain/admiration of Russians. Moscow is still a subject of big debate, (today's government sitting there including.)
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Old 07-31-2018, 11:55 AM
 
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St Pete to visit. Moscow to live.

Moscow is actually a very convenient and lively city. I really enjoyed living there. There's been a lot of revitalization done over the past few years. The cultural offerings are amazing.

St. Pete is a great city as well but I think the weather is a bit more dreary.
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