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Old 08-09-2018, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Overseas means beyond the pond.
So then Algeria was never a French Colony, Morocco never a Spanish Colony, and Libya never an Italian Colony?
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Old 08-09-2018, 03:47 PM
 
Location: DC metropolitan area
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Pretty much, especially if you are wiping the slate clean and developing new cities from scratch and populating them with your own people. By definition that would be colonization and to me a colony is a piece of land that has been colonized. I know that technically a colony is some political term for a country that has no home rule and are completely in the control of a distant country, but to me that type of definition is extremely narrow, and I imagine it was agreed upon so that land empires such as the US, Canada, China, Russia/USSR etc. didn’t have to abandon their colonies while the world was going through decolonization.

And actually I would argue that California and the like are more of a colony in the traditional sense than most of the African colonies since the US actually populated California with Americans, where as Africa’s indigenous population still remains pretty intact with few Europeans living there except South Africa and maybe a few costal settlements here and there. Africa was subjugated, but not sure if I would call it colonized.
Based on this logic, every part of the world is a colony. They say mankind originated in eastern Africa, from there (and later from Europe) man colonized the entire African continent, the Middle East, Europe, Asia, the Pacific, the Americas. Muslim North Africans, South Asians and Middle Easterners are now colonizing Europe. Catholic and Protestant Central Americans are now colonizing the U.S.... it's been going on since the beginning of time. It'll be going on until the end of time. Still, countries have the right to police their borders and a wall with Mexico may not be a bad idea.
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:12 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Overseas means beyond the pond.
Where is beyond the pond for French Polynesia?
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Old 08-10-2018, 11:23 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Still, countries have the right to police their borders and a wall with Mexico may not be a bad idea.
And so it begins
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Old 08-16-2018, 05:20 AM
 
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US, France, UK and the Netherlands are the only countries left that still have colonies I believe. These are all located in the Caribbean.
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Old 08-16-2018, 06:31 AM
 
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So then Algeria was never a French Colony, Morocco never a Spanish Colony, and Libya never an Italian Colony?
As I recall, Algeria was a departament, Morocco was a protectorate and Libya...I don't recall..
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Old 08-16-2018, 06:32 AM
 
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Where is beyond the pond for French Polynesia?
Pacific is ultramar, outremer?
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Old 08-17-2018, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Pacific is ultramar, outremer?
That was not my question
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:58 PM
 
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So then, the land Germany, Austria and England are on would be colonies by your um..."unique" definition as those lands were inhabited by Celtic people before them and they likely took the land from someone else. So I guess the Basque country is a colony? Most of the Balkans would be a colony as the Slavs that live there now are not the original people.

The things we learn on City-Data LOL
The definition of colony.
"a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country, typically a distant one, and occupied by settlers from that country."

So, yes, the US colonized the western part of the United States. The 13 colonies were a colony of Great Britain until they revolted creating a new independent country. When the United States starting expanding, it was colonizing, whether through purchase from other countries or through annexation. Those regions are no longer colonies as they are now integral parts of the United States. When does a colony become integral, I will say thats blurry. But, once a territory or colony becomes developed enough and starts to be represented in the national government, I would say its likely an integral part of the country. That does not necessarily mean there is not some self-ruled nationalist movement. Go to a country like Spain, and many regions have nationalist movements to break away from Spain.

In the modern world, there are not very many colonies left. For example, I would not consider Reunion a colony. It is a French island off the SE coast of Africa. The inhabitants are all French (not ethnically, but nationally) and have representation in the French government. Guam on the other hand, could be considered a colony and most consider it so. It has no representation in the US government despite everyone there being US citizens, so it does not have full self control. It is still heavily governed from the US mainland and has no say in some matters. The same is true for all US territories, they do not have equal rights in the US government.
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:16 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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US, France, UK and the Netherlands are the only countries left that still have colonies I believe. These are all located in the Caribbean.
Nah, in addition to these countries, there are quite a number of others.

Spain for instance still has colonies on the coast of Morocco. In turn, Morocco is occupying the Western Sahara (the former Spanish Sahara).

Portugal and Spain still have islands that are pretty far away from the main part of the country. For instance, there is almost a thousand miles between Portugal and the Azores.

Russia could be said to have a extensive number of colonies, depending on how liberal we want to be with the word "colony". Some might say Kaliningrad for instance or perhaps Crimea. And then there are a number of "independent republics" that are occupied by the Russian army and really belong to Moldova and Georgia.

Denmark controls Greenland and the Faroe Islands.

Turkey is occupying North Cyprus and refuses to recognize Kurdish culture within Turkey.

Norway has overseas territories, some of which are close enough to Norway to say they are not colonies, but I do not see how anyone could say that Norway's claims in and around Antarctica are not colonial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ions_of_Norway

Regarding Antarctica, in addition to Britain, France and Norway, Argentina, Chile, New Zealand and Australia all have claims. Brazil and the United States have stated their right to make claims in the future (and the US already has solid claims to Marie Byrd Land).

Chile, Australia, Ecuador, India, South Africa and perhaps others all have islands far enough away from the mainland that they might be considered colonial - again depending on what your definition of colonial is.

Japan also has overseas islands, some of them a fair distance offshore and the Ryukyu Islands (including Okinawa) used to an independent nation for hundreds of years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryukyu_Kingdom

Yemen currently owns the Socotra islands which are also claimed by Somali and used to be controlled by the Omani Empire.

And finally we come to the nation which is actually building new colonies in the 21st century....China.
Using its claims to basically the entire South China Sea, China is building entire artifical islands in order to enforce its claims.
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