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View Poll Results: What do you consider part of the western world?
Northern Europe 60 89.55%
Western Europe 61 91.04%
Southern Europe 59 88.06%
Central Europe 45 67.16%
Balkans 25 37.31%
Eastern Europe 25 37.31%
Russia 10 14.93%
Northern North America 61 91.04%
Central America + Mexico 24 35.82%
Caribbean 28 41.79%
Andean States 21 31.34%
The Guianas 18 26.87%
Brazil 25 37.31%
Southern Cone 23 34.33%
Northern Africa 0 0%
Western Africa 1 1.49%
Central Africa 0 0%
Eastern Africa 1 1.49%
Southern Africa 3 4.48%
South Africa 12 17.91%
Israel 25 37.31%
Turkey 3 4.48%
Caucuses 0 0%
Western Asia 0 0%
Central Asia 0 0%
Southern Asia 0 0%
Southeast Asia 0 0%
Eastern Asia 1 1.49%
Phillippines 5 7.46%
Australasia 30 44.78%
Melanesia 0 0%
Micronesia 1 1.49%
Polynesia 5 7.46%
Latin America is an off shoot of the western world, but not part of it 14 20.90%
Orthodox Europe is an off shoot of the western world, but not part of it 9 13.43%
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Old 02-07-2019, 06:59 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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Unlike the rest of LA, there is very little indigenous influence on those countries ethnic makeup.
This is a common misconception. Chile which is firmly in the southern cone has a larger indigenous imprint on their ethnic makeup than say Venezuela, Colombia, Costa Rica, Brazil or even Cuba (pre-revolution) for example.

The difference being that there is a larger element of self-denial among the populace and to an extent the erasure of this culture has been very successful even though the Mapuche offered staunch resistance.
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Old 02-11-2019, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Paris, Île-de-France, France / Terre Haute, IN
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Northern Europe (Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Iceland)
Western Europe (France, United Kingdom, Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg)
Southern Europe (Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece)
Central Europe (Germany, Switzerland, Austria)
Northern North American (United States, Canada)
Australasia (Australia, New Zealand)

If we are talking about the advanced countries, Northeast Asia(Japan, South Korea) will be the only addition to the list.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:20 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Despite its history, I don't see Greece as a truly Western country anymore because of its economic decline and its culture today. Their food also has a lot in common with the Middle East, more so than with Western Europe.

The Czech Republic is the only former East Bloc country I consider Western today though its language is Slavic. However the Czech language is written in the Latin script vs Cyrillic and they are mostly Catholic and not Eastern Orthodox.

No Latin American country is Western in my opinion. Argentina is the closest country in Latin America to being Western followed by Brazil but economically they're not there. Bermuda and the Bahamas can actually be considered Western due to their British history and advanced economies and high standard of living but not sure if they're really considered Latin America given that they're not even technically in the Caribbean. Some of the Caribbean like Jamaica and the Virgin Islands can be Western if they were more economically advanced.

IN order to be Western a country must be economically advanced, but being economically advanced doesn't necessarily mean you're Western. Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan are First World nations that are non-Western because of their culture.
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:30 AM
 
Location: White Rock BC
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Northern Europe (Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Iceland)
Western Europe (France, United Kingdom, Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg)
Southern Europe (Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece)
Central Europe (Germany, Switzerland, Austria)
Northern North American (United States, Canada)
Australasia (Australia, New Zealand)

If we are talking about the advanced countries, Northeast Asia(Japan, South Korea) will be the only addition to the list.
Looks like a good list but I would definitely add the Czech republic and Israel.
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:45 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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IN order to be Western a country must be economically advanced, but being economically advanced doesn't necessarily mean you're Western. Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan are First World nations that are non-Western because of their culture.
So, in your concept, if a western country suffers a deep economic crysis and therefore have increase of the poverty, it leaves the "western club". And when it leaves the crysis and become more and more rich, it will be "promoted" to the West. Don't you believe that, unlike cultural traits, economic prosperity can float a lot alongside the time?

A rich country of today may not be so rich in the future, and a poor country today may take the right direction and become rich. Argentina was richer than France 100 years ago, and less than 50 years ago Spain was a messed up country by a dictatorship after a bloody civic war and now it's a full developed country by all measures. And in 1919, if you tell someone that East Asia - including Japan - would today be part of the center of the global market, it would sound as a joke, like if someone in the future come to the present and tell us that, in 2119, Zambia is a high-tech developed country and Vanuatu became what is Singapore today, while Norway is impoverished and under a military dictatorship.
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Old 02-13-2019, 10:09 AM
 
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The western world is a declining increasingly useless designation.

In the world of politics it has lost importance since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

If West means Western European culture, then I have my doubts about the US being Western since tons of the US has Little in common with Europe and a lot with itself and its multiethnic nature. Plus which European culture out of the many defines western? Is Eastern Europe included?

If western means rich, then Chile could be western, Uruguay too and perhaps Panama (In latin America), once again some áreas of the US wouldnt be exactly western. But then, a lot of Eastern Europe would hardly be western.

If western means US allies (like it initially meant), then it's very likely hard to tell since the world of geopolitics changes CONSTANTLY.
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Old Yesterday, 01:02 PM
 
Location: SE Estonia
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I don't argue about this..
... however what we see in this case (according to your statement) is that the difference between Australia/ New Zealand ( that you consider to be Western) VS Argentina and Brazil ( that you DON'T consider to be "Western,") - well the difference here is that the former were founded by the NORTHERN Europeans, while the latter were founded by the SOUTHERN Europeans.
So both are Europeans. However the colonies founded by the Northerners you consider to be part of the West.
The colonies founded by the Southerners - are not.
...))))
Don't you know? - it is because there is an unofficial but widespread subconscious cult in the world- that is the cult of Germanics and so according to many everything created by them (by Germanics) is considered to be subconsciously "superior". That word "west" as you know is often used as an equivalent word to "better", "advanced", "developed" and so on. If people got rid of such stupid cults and prejudices, it would be good.
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Old Yesterday, 06:39 PM
 
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The western world is a declining increasingly useless designation.

In the world of politics it has lost importance since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

If West means Western European culture, then I have my doubts about the US being Western since tons of the US has Little in common with Europe and a lot with itself and its multiethnic nature. Plus which European culture out of the many defines western? Is Eastern Europe included?

If western means rich, then Chile could be western, Uruguay too and perhaps Panama (In latin America), once again some áreas of the US wouldnt be exactly western. But then, a lot of Eastern Europe would hardly be western.

If western means US allies (like it initially meant), then it's very likely hard to tell since the world of geopolitics changes CONSTANTLY.

Panama is wealthier than Chile and Uruguay.
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Old Yesterday, 06:53 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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WHAT?

Greco-Roman culture is the cradle of Western society! Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Democracy, the pre-cursor to the Roman Empire which spread Western civilisation to the rest of Europe giving way to Christianity, the Renaissance and the age of exploration by the western powers.
If one thinks about this narrative makes absolutely no sense. If Greco-Roman culture was the cradle of Western Civilization why did Western nations forget about them for over a thousand years. It was the Byzantines, Arabs and Persians who went out of their way to preserve and translate their works. It was Byzantine academics fleeing the Turks who introduced the Italians to the works of the Ancient Greeks.
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Old Today, 10:52 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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If one thinks about this narrative makes absolutely no sense. If Greco-Roman culture was the cradle of Western Civilization why did Western nations forget about them for over a thousand years. It was the Byzantines, Arabs and Persians who went out of their way to preserve and translate their works. It was Byzantine academics fleeing the Turks who introduced the Italians to the works of the Ancient Greeks.
No, it doesn't make any sense.

Because Greco-Roman culture isn't the cradle of western civilization, but it sounds nice as a propaganda slogan since around 1700-1800.

As you mention, the Mediterranean-centered Greco-Roman culture had many heirs, including the Arabs and Turks.

True, western Europe was also one of them, but western civilization begins at Aachen. Just ask Merkel and Macron who recently went specifically and cerimoniously to that city to update the Franco-German (Frankish) treaty which is at the heart of the EU.

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