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Old 12-12-2018, 11:11 AM
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I cannot overstate how different wages are between the US and Italy.
In Italy, to earn 30k per year is considered decent middle class (after taxes), in the US is considered a subpar wage.

My mother is a job-injury doctor in Italy, she earns approximately 3200 € per month after 11 years of university (it takes that long to become a full-fledged doctor here), that is less than 50k per year counting bonuses and everything.
In Québec I met doctors earning 200k per year.
And it is not even a matter of cost-of-living: Northern Italy is quite expensive and the big cities, such as Milan where job opportunities are concentrated, are very expensive, on par with most other European capitals.
Yes and I think it will eventually lead to higher wages because on many of our Engineering/Construction projects, we hire Italian companies to finish our designs and construct....I'm currently working a project where my company did the initial design and a large Italian company did the finish design and construction and it seems like they are getting more and more business (possibly due to lower wages?)
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Old 12-12-2018, 12:19 PM
 
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The death toll of 9/11 is thankfully unequalled, but Western Europe has in the 21st century and especially in recent years, seen significantly more terrorist attacks in the name of Islam than the U.S. has.


My neighbor, that died recently, was from Dresden, there's a historic, well-remembered background of bombings which makes the 9.11 somewhat insignificant.
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Old 12-12-2018, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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My neighbor, that died recently, was from Dresden, there's a historic, well-remembered background of bombings which makes the 9.11 somewhat insignificant.
Sure, but look at the post I was responding to.
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Old 12-12-2018, 04:26 PM
 
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But really, it seems that the population here are not so dramatical here since many that have been raised with the memories of entire cities being blasted away. perhaps there's certain acquired-inherited- ability to forget and go ahead.
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Old 12-12-2018, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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Not sure what you mean by Islam being an official religion and mosques being official in the US????

Also, being favorable or enthusiastic about Islam or any other religion is not what necessarily makes a country a better place to live - that's a highly personal criterion.
No it is related to religious freedom which is a human right. By official I mean it is not a recognized religion in Italy.
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Old 12-12-2018, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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If something as extreme as 9/11 happened in a European country, I think Muslims would be banned from the entire continent or have their rights severely diminished.

The U.S. is overly generous.
The US is overly generous? So do you suggest we restrict religious freedoms? What a shame if so.
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Old 12-12-2018, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Not generous, but more accepting.
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Old 12-12-2018, 05:46 PM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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The US is overly generous? So do you suggest we restrict religious freedoms? What a shame if so.

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If something as extreme as 9/11 happened in a European country, I think Muslims would be banned from the entire continent or have their rights severely diminished.

The U.S. is overly generous.
9/11 had to do with oil politics and their factions in respective countries, of which so-called Islam is a tool, one of many fungible tools.

The two major sides have long since kissed and made up; it will take much more than the mere murder of a meddling journalist to change the current balance.
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Old 12-13-2018, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Taipei, Taiwan
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My mother is a job-injury doctor in Italy, she earns approximately 3200 € per month after 11 years of university (it takes that long to become a full-fledged doctor here), that is less than 50k per year counting bonuses and everything.
That is remarkably low. That's the salary of residents here. Doctors (attendings) here of that age would make 100k+ per year.
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Old 12-13-2018, 08:28 AM
 
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Yes and I think it will eventually lead to higher wages because on many of our Engineering/Construction projects, we hire Italian companies to finish our designs and construct....I'm currently working a project where my company did the initial design and a large Italian company did the finish design and construction and it seems like they are getting more and more business (possibly due to lower wages?)
It is possible: lots of Italians are emigrating nowadays (we are like in the top 10 of country with people emigrating legally), mostly those with degrees.
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That is remarkably low. That's the salary of residents here. Doctors (attendings) here of that age would make 100k+ per year.
Wages have been stagnant since 1995 as far as I remember from official statistics but the cost of living, especially in the North, is not that lower than the best regions of Germany or Northern Europe.
The only thing keeping the country afloat is the fact that Italians tend to save much more than other Europeans and Americans, so we can count on what our relatives saved in the past (it amounts to more than 3k billions euros if I remember well).
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