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That's a very Bernie Sanders way to see it but ok. I agree that " It's still a poor country, wealth/income per capita is quite low. 2. The disparity in wealth and income. Whereas in the United States, poverty is primarily caused by the disparity. The richest 1% controls half of the wealth, the average numbers are actually pretty good, but the distribution is highly skewed" but Xi is far from a nightmare he is keeping China going despite everybody trying to slow it down. As for the Japanese and GM comment, it makes no sense to me. Trump can be tough with GM, Ford etc but he won't because he wants "made in america". Both Trump and Xi are nationalist they want to protect their country at any cost, that's whyy they are on this back and forward commercial war. The Japanese can't really touch the US so they are out of the picture.
Toyota is mostly made in America, GM is primarily made in Mexico and Canada.
Xi is keeping China going backward to be a country more like North Korea. China became more prosperous because it allowed a certain degree of private businesses and free market. Now Xi wants to go back to hardcore communism. China isn't known for protecting its citizens' privacy and freedom, but Xi is making things far worse than it was. I don't bother to get started on his re-education camp in Xinjiang. The Chinese economy is also stagnated.
Xi resorts to nationalism to cover his failed leadership. Nationalists simplified political and economic problems to the competition between “our country" vs "their country". If he plays nationalism card, he can portray himself as a patriot defender against foreign invasions.
Trump plays nationalism card too. As long as he is tough on China, beat China and the rest of the world to promote America First, gullible supports will vote for him.
Civil rights, income/wealth disparity, skyrocketing education and healthcare costs, affordable housing are irrelevant. Who cares about the well beings of ordinary citizens? He protects the USA, he is patriotic(at least that's what he is marketing), he is a good nationalist that does nothing wrong.
No matter how the trade war ends, China is probably going to be doomed because Xi removed term limit and plans to stay in office forever. Lower class Americans won't find healthcare and higher education more affordable, poverty won't go away even if Trump destroys China. Luckily, it's nearly impossible to remove the term limit in the United States, self-correction is still possible.
I'm sure that explains the amount of Chinese students studying abroad in Anglophone countries (and many of them don't even speak English; they are literally just flushing parents' money down the toilet).
End-of-mission statement on China, by Professor Philip Alston, United Nations Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights
Your figures are a hack. The definition of poverty varies from country to country. If you're following the US definition of poverty then like 90+% of the Chinese population would be destitute.
Most major U.S universities have a ton of faculty members in STEM fields who were born in China, most of them have at least one U.S degree on their resume.
https://www.higheredjobs.com/article...ay.cfm?ID=1012
”International scholars continue to have an increasing presence in American higher education. According to the Institute of International Education, the number of international scholars in the United States has increased from 115,098 in the 2009-10 academic year to 124,861 in the 2014-15 academic year. Nearly 75 percent are in the science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) fields, with China, India, South Korea, and Germany being the top sending countries."
I'm sure that explains the amount of Chinese students studying abroad in Anglophone countries (and many of them don't even speak English; they are literally just flushing parents' money down the toilet).
China students studying abroad: 608 000 =0,6 million
China total population: 1 380 000 000
The Chinese students studying abroad only account for 0,043% of China's population
By contrast this number is 325,339 for US students, who account for about 0,1% of US-America's population. Both numbers shows that both Chinese and Americans study in near-totality in their own countries.
Furthermore, China, just like Korea and Japan, is part of the Confucius learning culture, while the US is rather part of the trash TV culture.
In a class of 25 people in China, the twelfth-best educated Chinese kid is likely to be better educated than the fourth-best educated kid in an average American class of 25 people.
China is a culture that values education and integrity with history, while America is a culture that values entertainment and fast-cash.
As for the skyscrapers: It doesn't surprise me. Chinas has the biggest growth in total numbers, so it will have the biggest amount of skyscrapers. (I hope they will not build more skyscrapers in Paris because skyscrapers are so uniform and standardizing on city skylines.)
Xi is keeping China going backward to be a country more like North Korea. China became more prosperous because it allowed a certain degree of private businesses and free market. Now Xi wants to go back to hardcore communism. China isn't known for protecting its citizens' privacy and freedom, but Xi is making things far worse than it was. I don't bother to get started on his re-education camp in Xinjiang. The Chinese economy is also stagnated.
Xi resorts to nationalism to cover his failed leadership. Nationalists simplified political and economic problems to the competition between “our country" vs "their country". If he plays nationalism card, he can portray himself as a patriot defender against foreign invasions.
Trump plays nationalism card too. As long as he is tough on China, beat China and the rest of the world to promote America First, gullible supports will vote for him.
Civil rights, income/wealth disparity, skyrocketing education and healthcare costs, affordable housing are irrelevant. Who cares about the well beings of ordinary citizens? He protects the USA, he is patriotic(at least that's what he is marketing), he is a good nationalist that does nothing wrong.
No matter how the trade war ends, China is probably going to be doomed because Xi removed term limit and plans to stay in office forever. Lower class Americans won't find healthcare and higher education more affordable, poverty won't go away even if Trump destroys China. Luckily, it's nearly impossible to remove the term limit in the United States, self-correction is still possible.
US has too much power, China is just a giant factory. Yes China has developed its own technology and has its merits but still far behind.
There are books explaining why China will collapse from 20 years ago. That did not happen so far.
It is about "technology", or really is about industrialization. In the past 30 years China is becoming industrialized. That took hundreds of years in Europe. There is a new industrial revolution going on right now.
Chinese President Xi is trying to revert the reform that improved the conditions of China, he is a nightmare.
The weirdest part is both Xi and Trump want to play tough. I wouldn't say the relationship in the past 20 years is consistently bad, but it's certainly very pessimistic now.
Back on the poverty issue. I think it's more important to understand the causes of poverty. There are two causes of poverty in China: 1. It's still a poor country, wealth/income per capita is quite low. 2. The disparity in wealth and income. Whereas in the United States, poverty is primarily caused by the disparity. The richest 1% controls half of the wealth, the average numbers are actually pretty good, but the distribution is highly skewed. Unfortunately, there's no good solution. Trump is tough on China because it's very easy to do, he can't be tough on the 1%. Similarly, he is tough on Japanese car makers but he can't be tough on GM, a corporation bailed out at the cost of taxpayers that plans to shut down factories and lay off thousands of workers.
I didn't realize that you were so negative on Mr. Xi. How prevalent is that feeling in China?
I am not saying that the relationship over the past 20 years has been consistently bad, but it has reached a point of diminishing returns - even mutually hurtful in important respects -, at least from the US point of view and my impression is that the US has less to lose from the current attempt at partial disengagement.
Mr. Trump's main mission was to at least block, perhaps dismantle, the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton pattern at the apex of US power - term limits be damned. He already achieved that (though we may get the Texas Land Commissioner one day).
His other mission was to slow down the pace of globalization which, by the way, was already happening, and continues to happen.
Your views on what "causes" "poverty" are too facile. Which you yourself admit when you state, correctly, "there's no good [easy] solution".
But at least the slowdown in globalization gives those who are not keeping pace a little breathing room, but it will not be enough without consensus on a clear, sustained, coherent, organic re-industrialization policy, and there is no such consensus, at least not in the United States, for various reasons, some nefarious, some misguided.
Good Luck!
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Originally Posted by 6oo9
It is about "technology", or really is about industrialization. In the past 30 years China is becoming industrialized. That took hundreds of years in Europe. There is a new industrial revolution going on right now.
That’s the problem: thinking too much about China.
Trump is a real estate developer, even he can not develop that many skyscrapers, let alone stopping globalization.
Globalization has been going on, in fits and starts, for at least 3,000 years, no one is stopping anything.
We happen to be in a bit of a fit right now. Quite natural and necessary.
Slow down the pace, it's a subtle point - though not as subtle as walking and chewing gum - it already began before 2016 and actors in political theater are a reflection of it, not leaders, at least not nowadays.
Yes, thinking about China too much.
We each have plenty of our own problems to worry about without getting too deep in each others' hair.
Nitpickers!
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