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Old 01-10-2019, 05:11 PM
 
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The photos are from two Bulgarian cities - the second largest Plovdiv and the former capital Tarnovo. And no, the whole city doesn't look like this, but the same can be said for almost all large US and western European cities that also have many poor and ghetto areas. I have seen those in Paris and the US east coast (some cities in New Jersey for example). Only Scandinavian and Japanese cities plus Singapore look great everywhere you go.
Absolutely. It is meaningless to just post a picture of a city or landscape and except people to get a grip of the whole picture. Itís possible to make anything look good from a vantage point.
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Old 01-11-2019, 01:37 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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I don't see anything in the 3rd or 5th pictures that couldn't be found somewhere in Spain, Italy, etc. Why do you say 2nd world?
Architecture plus last pic looks way too happy to be 1st World.
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Old 01-11-2019, 04:41 AM
 
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The photos are from two Bulgarian cities - the second largest Plovdiv and the former capital Tarnovo. And no, the whole city doesn't look like this, but the same can be said for almost all large US and western European cities that also have many poor and ghetto areas. I have seen those in Paris and the US east coast (some cities in New Jersey for example). Only Scandinavian and Japanese cities plus Singapore look great everywhere you go.
Eastern European countries have good infrastructure and well educated people (similar the first world) the problem is the weak economies what result in low paid and few job opportunities (similar the third world). I guess the comunism or planned economy was able just to fix one part.
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Old 01-12-2019, 12:56 AM
 
Location: Thailand
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If 80% of the places in a country make you want to vomit, then that is a third world country.
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First World= developed, prosperous countries like the U.S. and Canada.
Second World= developing countries moving towards prosperity like Russia, China, and Mexico.
Third World= countries mired in poverty with little likelihood of improvement like Haiti, and most of Africa.
Nebulous definitions like "developed" and subjective viewpoints about vomiting do little to help define what is a third world country. Also = one could make the case that Russia has been doing more moving away from prosperity.
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Old 01-12-2019, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Thailand
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average salary in Shanghai is higher than most european countries. just educate yourself
Educate us then, what is the average salary in Shanghai?

From https://www.bna.com/china-wage-increases-n73014450562/
The Shanghai municipal government announced in early April that the average monthly salary in 2016 was 6,504 yuan a month, 9.5 percent above the prior year.

That would be 11k USD per year.

From https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300622146.html

Average monthly salary in Shanghai for white collar workers = 17k USD


Some average salaries for professional jobs here: https://www.emolument.com/salary-rep.../shanghai/7215

IT in Shanghai at 28k USD being lower than most European countries? Skeptical.
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:27 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Eastern European countries have good infrastructure and well educated people (similar the first world) the problem is the weak economies what result in low paid and few job opportunities (similar the third world). I guess the comunism or planned economy was able just to fix one part.
That's a very good point. The Soviets left behind a first-world infrastructure, as well as high level health care and education, which the heirs don't have to pay for, so people with modest earnings can still enjoy first world living standards. Th is particularly noticeable in places like Armenia and Kyrgyzstan and Ukraine, where one quickly forgets that they have Africa-like PPP's'

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average salary in Shanghai is higher than most european countries. just educate yourself
Technically, this may be true. "Most" European countries , numerically, are in the former Soviet bloc, with average salaries in the Shanghai range.

Last edited by cebuan; 01-12-2019 at 03:42 AM..
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Old 01-12-2019, 07:01 AM
 
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Any country with serious corruption/drug/crime/violence issues, poor quality of life, and lack of democratic elective systems or government transparency.

Basically, anywhere that isn't the "Western world" (USA, Europe, Australia, NZ, Britain, Canada)...
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Old 01-12-2019, 08:23 AM
 
Location: London
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Educate us then, what is the average salary in Shanghai?

From https://www.bna.com/china-wage-increases-n73014450562/
The Shanghai municipal government announced in early April that the average monthly salary in 2016 was 6,504 yuan a month, 9.5 percent above the prior year.

That would be 11k USD per year.

From https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300622146.html

Average monthly salary in Shanghai for white collar workers = 17k USD


Some average salaries for professional jobs here: https://www.emolument.com/salary-rep.../shanghai/7215

IT in Shanghai at 28k USD being lower than most European countries? Skeptical.
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Is there any way to disable the autoplay thumbnail in the above post, so it doesn't constantly burn my limited data as long as I have the page open?








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Old 01-14-2019, 06:43 PM
 
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I haven't even met many Chinese who like to see the Communist party around.
I've never said wghat the Chinese think about it; it was about how some Russians perceive the situation.


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Eastern Asian people are actually pretty good at manufacturing. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan all manufacture a lot of stuff, including the finest automobiles. It's more about people and culture, not US designation.

And that's EXACTLY why Americans channeled their money and know-how there, designating it to be their workshop.
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