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View Poll Results: 3rd world or not 3rd world
Mexico 7 23.33%
China 1 3.33%
India 15 50.00%
Jamaica 13 43.33%
Dominican Republic 10 33.33%
Argentina 2 6.67%
Brazil 3 10.00%
Peru 7 23.33%
Columbia 6 20.00%
South Africa 3 10.00%
Ghana 20 66.67%
Rwanda 20 66.67%
Egypt 11 36.67%
Nigeria 18 60.00%
Iran 6 20.00%
Oman 5 16.67%
Jordan 7 23.33%
Pakistan 17 56.67%
Nepal 17 56.67%
Bangladesh 23 76.67%
Vietnam 10 33.33%
Myanmar 18 60.00%
Ukraine 5 16.67%
Serbia 3 10.00%
Moldova 7 23.33%
Armenia 4 13.33%
Angola 20 66.67%
Mongolia 13 43.33%
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Old 01-14-2019, 02:55 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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let me talk in circles again:
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I did not advocate that. Argue against what I said, not what you wish I had said.
End of talking in circles.


You can always go back to the topic, what defines a third world country,

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Old 01-14-2019, 03:21 AM
 
Location: Islamabad , Pakistan/ Albany , NewYork
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I actually think some parts of USA are very similar to third world standards - of course I know itís a first country, but on my way back to Australia I left from the Guardia in Queens and I was surprised to see how ****ty it was. Queens and the Guardia seem both 3rd world locations, JFK airport is horrible too and I even didnít visit other parts that are meant to be a ****hole like Camden. The amount of homeless people that I saw in SF was mind blowing, the dirtiness too. The high criminality in places like Detroit, St Louis and Baltimore is something unheard in places like Teheran, Buenos Aires,Belgrade.
You are going to have a few bad areas in a country of 320 millon. Much Easier to maintain cities in countries like Australia which have a low population.The Good areas in US are unrivaled anywhere in the world though.
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Old 01-14-2019, 03:24 AM
 
Location: Islamabad , Pakistan/ Albany , NewYork
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USA is third world in education and healthcare... =[
The best universities in the world are American.
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Old 01-14-2019, 04:49 AM
 
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The best universities in the world are American.
Are you talking about the Ivy League? That may be true, but very few people have access to those.
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Old 01-14-2019, 05:06 AM
 
Location: Islamabad , Pakistan/ Albany , NewYork
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Are you talking about the Ivy League? That may be true, but very few people have access to those.

https://www.topuniversities.com/univ...-rankings/2019

In top 100 universities of the world 30 - 40 % are all American universities. So its not only the Ivy league. America's universities are one of the reason its a global power today.
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Old 01-14-2019, 07:58 AM
 
Location: S„o Paulo, Brazil
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I see your location is Sao Paulo, so as someone in South America, what is your view on how Chile, Colombia, and Argentina are still third world? I debated on Brazil because of the terrible crime in many major cities still, and Peru I'd put on the same level as Brazil. But for me, Chile and Mexico are solidly second world, with Colombia and Argentina being at the lower end of second world but not third world.
This classification of first, second and third world is more historical than practical. But, as it's still popular, I consider the full capitalist countries as first world, the current and former communist states in transition to capitalism to second world, and all the rest of third world - even if countries like Chile and Zimbabwe has almost nothing (for avoiding saying "absolutelty nothing") in common.

Well... Chile does best than Greece in the economy and, for many criteria, it can already be qualified as an advanced economy. But you know... Latin America is a highly unstable region and Venezuela, once as rich as Chile is today, became one of the poorest countries of the world. Indeed, after looking what happened to Venezuela, I find difficult for chileans to choose the way of the left (or even right) populism and destroy everything that they have built.

Colombia is more similar to Brazil than any other place in the world. The same qualities, the same issues, the same challenges and, now, even the same political view.

Peru is poorer than average South America, but surprisingly stable. We hardly hear something bad happening in Peru, but we also hardly could think in Peru as a very rich country. Let's say that they live generally well without the need of being rich.

Argentina is, after Venezuela, in the saddest situation. They managed to migrate from the first to the third world and never recovered what it was in the past. One hundred years ago, Argentina was richer than France and was a so successful country that it was called "the southern answer to USA". Now, while still far of being a tragedy like Venezuela, it's a mess in terms of economy and politics.
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Old 01-14-2019, 08:07 AM
 
Location: S„o Paulo, Brazil
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China? Not much longer:

A new world is dawning, and the US will no longer lead it
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo.../#121004af3b2f
China is the world's second largest economy, behind only the US.

And Poland advanced to First World last year, and is a developed country, which maintains a high-income economy along with very high standards of living, life quality, safety, education and economic freedom.
Poland is the first country from the former Soviet bloc graded as a developed economy by FTSE, a London-based provider of economic and financial data. Poland also met the World Bank criteria for high gross national income per capita.
Like I said above, it's a nonsense today classify the countries as first, second and third world, but the classification is still popular and we need some clarification.

China is the world's second largest economy, but... it's an autocratic state and has a lower HDI than Brazil. In fact, China is in a situation completely apart of every other country in the world. They have a model of development which works well *for them*, but not for other places. What happens there today is a mix of socialism and capitalism, with some parts of the economy being under state control by law and others open to the free market economy. It's growing a lot, improving quickly, but for having the same standard of living of USA in general it has still a long, long way to run.

Poland, Czechia and the Baltic states are, for all mesurable criteria, evolved to First World. They embraced the free market economy, are growing in a fast pace and are all stable democracies. Some would argue that the fact of Poland having an atypical right wing and religious bias in the context of Europe would put it in a distinct tier, but it's anyway a democracy.
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Old 01-14-2019, 09:46 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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Colombia is more similar to Brazil than any other place in the world. The same qualities, the same issues, the same challenges and, now, even the same political view.
That's a major misconception in Brazil. Even Uribe, Colombia's furthest right president in recent history not only recognised but upheld the title deeds of Native American and Black ancestral lands in the legislature and constitution.

What's been alleged via his connection with illegal paramilitary groups is another matter but legally there was no threat to these groups unlike with Bolsonaro that stokes a feeling of disgust towards minorities through his words and actions.

Santos even went against the US on crop fumigation and eventually advocated towards a discussion of legalisation to the horror of Trump. Now Colombia is producing more coke than ever and Venezuela's narco-government is capitalising on this. Prohibition just doesn't work.

The main reason why Colombia is so close militarily with NATO is because the rest of South America (bar Peru) turned their backs on the country. Refusing to declare FARC or ELN as terrorist groups (which NATO did) and supporting Chavez, Correa, Ortega & co. in their hostile attitudes towards the Colombian government.
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Old 01-14-2019, 10:36 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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I actually think some parts of USA are very similar to third world standards - of course I know itís a first country, but on my way back to Australia I left from the Guardia in Queens and I was surprised to see how ****ty it was. Queens and the Guardia seem both 3rd world locations, JFK airport is horrible too and I even didnít visit other parts that are meant to be a ****hole like Camden. The amount of homeless people that I saw in SF was mind blowing, the dirtiness too. The high criminality in places like Detroit, St Louis and Baltimore is something unheard in places like Teheran, Buenos Aires,Belgrade.
Oh no, no ,no. That's not third world. Try parts of Mississippi, hell most of MS. That's freaking third world.
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Old 01-14-2019, 10:38 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Then we also have the rural poverty of Appalachia and places in the desert Southwest. Anyone remember that UN investigation into poverty in Alabama and compared it to third world countries? We also have Flint without clean water. A drug epidemic. We also have infrastructure that falls apart and looks far worse than the infrastructure found in "third world" countries (bridges collapsing, train tracks that can't handle the load needed, tunnels about to cave in, airports like LaGuardia, etc.). And don't even get me started on the politics with the corruption, oligarchy, greed, and a wannabe dictator in charge.

I strongly believe that the US is on the path to second world right now. We like to pretend we're just SOOOO much more advanced than everything in Latin America. We used to be. Not anymore. Many of them have caught up and we've been on a steady decline...one that has hastened in the past few years.
^^^This 100%
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