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Old 05-01-2020, 10:24 PM
Status: "Peace, order and good government" (set 28 days ago)
 
Location: Canada
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Good post grega.

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Originally Posted by grega94 View Post
I agree that American suburbs are not unique from one metropolitan area to next, they are all essentially the same (though sometimes the building media changes), however the city centers, particularly the older parts of town can very quite a bit, and probably more so than any one specific country in Europe.

New Orleans
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9588...7i13312!8i6656

Santa Fe
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6875...7i13312!8i6656

San Francisco
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8023...7i16384!8i8192

Boston
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3652...7i16384!8i8192

Charleston
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7767...7i16384!8i8192

Baltimore
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2975...7i16384!8i8192

Washington
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8973...7i16384!8i8192
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Old 05-01-2020, 10:41 PM
 
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I agree that American suburbs are not unique from one metropolitan area to next, they are all essentially the same (though sometimes the building media changes), however the city centers, particularly the older parts of town can very quite a bit, and probably more so than any one specific country in Europe.

New Orleans
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9588...7i13312!8i6656

Santa Fe
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6875...7i13312!8i6656

San Francisco
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8023...7i16384!8i8192

Boston
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3652...7i16384!8i8192

Charleston
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7767...7i16384!8i8192

Baltimore
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2975...7i16384!8i8192

Washington
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8973...7i16384!8i8192



Grega, these are the LANDMARKS.
But these are actually the cities.

Baltimore


Boston


Seattle


Atlanta


New-York


San Francisco

As I've said - the cookie-cutter.
And this is the second kind of the architectural cookie-cutter in US, the kind you see in Charleston;

https://www.thetravelmagazine.net/wp...arleston-1.jpg

The reason Washington DC looks SOMEWHAT different, is only because it was designed by the French architect.
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Old 05-01-2020, 10:44 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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American suburban architecture does differ from region to region, at least when it comes to residential architecture. Commercial areas perhaps not as much.

But suburban neighborhoods outside of San Diego, New Orleans, Charlotte, and Baltimore do look quite different from one another.
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Old 05-01-2020, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Grega, these are the LANDMARKS.
But these are actually the cities.

Baltimore


Boston


Seattle


Atlanta


New-York


San Francisco

As I've said - the cookie-cutter.
And this is the second kind of the architectural cookie-cutter in US, the kind you see in Charleston;

https://www.thetravelmagazine.net/wp...arleston-1.jpg

The reason Washington DC looks SOMEWHAT different, is only because it was designed by the French architect.
Those are not cities either, they are skylines

If you take the same approach with Europe you will just see chruch bells and roof tops

Also we are talking about difference among cities, not within the city, so cookie cutter in this case doesn’t play a roll unless all the cities are cutting out the same cookies.
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Old 05-01-2020, 11:01 PM
 
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Those are not cities either, they are skylines

What is a "skyline" Grega, if not a fancy way to identify the tall boxes ( i.e. sky-scrapers) made with a cookie-cutter)))
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Old 05-01-2020, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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What is a "skyline" Grega, if not a fancy way to identify the tall boxes ( i.e. sky-scrapers) made with a cookie-cutter)))
And what Europe doesn't have cookie cutter either lol you can't tell where one building starts and the other ends, sure looks pretty but it's all copy and paste

Paris
https://www.google.com/maps/@48.8822...7i16384!8i8192

Amsterdam
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.3650...7i16384!8i8192

London
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5206...7i16384!8i8192
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Old 05-01-2020, 11:27 PM
 
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And what Europe doesn't have cookie cutter either lol you can't tell where one building starts and the other ends, sure looks pretty but it's all copy and paste

Paris
https://www.google.com/maps/@48.8822...7i16384!8i8192

Amsterdam
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.3650...7i16384!8i8192

London
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5206...7i16384!8i8192



Even in YOUR pictures the architecture looks different.
And since European cities actually DO have a lot of...erm..."unique city architectural pairings" - you can't capture their images in the same manner as the redundant images of American cities ( to which you refer as "skylines.")
You have to explore the architecture of European cities step by step, fragment by fragment, and that's when you can see all the differences.
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Old 05-01-2020, 11:55 PM
 
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Dude, you're an Anti-American. Made clear by the fact that it was someone suggesting that American cities were at all diverse from one to the next that made you comment negative stuff exclusively about America because it's cities have stuff like "parking lots", "big box stores" and "asphalt", stuff that is common all across the west.

Layout is a negligible part of what makes a city diverse in the first place. Impugning that American cities are not architecturally diverse because the US has highways and big box stores is NONSENSICAL. Every western country does. How many times do I need to spell it out for you?

The biggest, ugliest parking lot in the world could be located right in the center of a city that has remarkable skyscrapers in tons of different styles and a variety of colonial architecture. It doesn't make the architecture of that city all of a sudden less unique.

There's also way more than 200 cities in the US, and your broken English is silly. "Made with cookie cutter" - is not how American cities were made. There's a common trend of grid-based cities in the US, that doesn't make cities "cookie cutter". That basic layout has nothing to do with how architecturally diverse each city is, and has very little to do with how different architecturally one city is from another. So get over it.

The last sentence in your post makes no sense. You evidently know very little of American cities, or at least don't know how to level a proper argument against them.

I understand that you have been trained to use a lot of fancy words and how to use them *quite succinctly,* but the ability to discern is still not there, sorry. No matter how many times you are trying to "spell" anything.

Big boxes are big boxes, even if sometimes they have admixture of "colonial architecture."
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Old 05-02-2020, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Even in YOUR pictures the architecture looks different.
And since European cities actually DO have a lot of...erm..."unique city architectural pairings" - you can't capture their images in the same manner as the redundant images of American cities ( to which you refer as "skylines.")
You have to explore the architecture of European cities step by step, fragment by fragment, and that's when you can see all the differences.
those cities are in different countries, I was just showing that Europe heavily uses the concept of cookie cutter for hundreds of years. Further more we are not grading esthetics, we are specifically talking about diversity, whether that architectural style are flattering or not doesn't really play a role when discussing "diversity". And no there is more to American cities once you reach the ground, the skylines only show the "tree tops" once you enter the "jungle" you get too see all the "under growth"

New York

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7051...7i16384!8i8192

San Francisco
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7912...7i16384!8i8192

Philadelphia
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9486...7i16384!8i8192

Chicago
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8992...7i16384!8i8192

Los Angeles
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0459...7i16384!8i8192

Seattle
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6029...7i16384!8i8192

And can you distinguish these French cities apart? They all kind of look like Paris/France right?

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.7620...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2171...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8418...7i13312!8i6656

now that's not to say that France doesn't have diversity for instance Strasbourg looks noticeably different because it was historically a German city
https://www.google.com/maps/@48.5843...7i13312!8i6656

nor am I trying to say the American cities look nicer, I'm just saying there is more to American cities than boxy skyscrapers, just like there is more to Europe than church towers and rooftops, you should try to walk through the cities sometime and not just stare at them from afar
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Old 05-02-2020, 12:16 AM
 
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those cities are in different countries, I was just showing that Europe heavily uses the concept of cookie cutter for hundreds of years. Further more we are not grading esthetics, we are specifically talking about diversity, whether that architectural style are flattering or not doesn't really play a role when discussing "diversity". And no there is more to American cities once you reach the ground, the skylines only show the "tree tops" once you enter the "jungle" you get too see all the "under growth"

New York

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7051...7i16384!8i8192

San Francisco
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7912...7i16384!8i8192

Philadelphia
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9486...7i16384!8i8192

Chicago
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8992...7i16384!8i8192

Los Angeles
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0459...7i16384!8i8192

Seattle
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6029...7i16384!8i8192

And can you distinguish these French cities apart? They all kind of look like Paris/France right?

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.7620...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2171...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8418...7i13312!8i6656

now that's not to say that France doesn't have diversity for instance Strasbourg looks noticeably different because it was historically a German city
https://www.google.com/maps/@48.5843...7i13312!8i6656

nor am I trying to say the American cities look nicer, I'm just saying there is more to American cities than boxy skyscrapers, just like there is more to Europe than church towers and rooftops, you should try to walk through the cities sometime and not just stare at them from afar

Grega, just go and look at the first post here;


"Now think of the U.S. A city like Boston will never be visually mistaken for a Miami or a Chicago or a San Francisco or a Las Vegas. In fact, the U.S.'s major cities have extreme architectural and visual diversity."


Yeah, right. Very "extreme" as it has been demonstrated here.
(That's where it all started.)
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