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View Poll Results: What city is the "Education Capital of the World"
Boston 17 54.84%
London 10 32.26%
Other 4 12.90%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-03-2021, 08:18 AM
 
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In terms of other news, US Pharma company Merck recently announced it was building $1.3 Billion Research Hub in London near Kings Cross, which is also home to the $1 Billion Francis Crick biomedical research institute, the largest single laboratory building in Europe.

Whilst Swiss Global pharmaceutical company Novartis opened anew HQ at White City, joining the emerging life sciences cluster at White City. Other new arrivals include the $534million-valued Autolus, Synthace and the world’s first bio-tech accelerator RebelBio.

Further down Euston road from Kings Cross is the HQ of the he Wellcome Trust is a charitable foundation focused on health research based in London, with an endowment of $35.4 billion. Whilst Cancer Research UK the world’s largest independent funder of cancer research, investing on average over $500 million per year.

"London is home to world-leading universities, hospitals and an expansive patient pool, the region is a growing engine room for translational and experimental medicine, with several National Institute for Health Research (NIHR) Biomedical Research Centres sitting between academia and the NHS and three of England’s Academic Health Sciences Centres."

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London and the greater South East

MedCity is a collaboration between the Mayor of London, Imperial College Academic Health Science Centre, King’s Health Partners, UCL Partners, Cambridge Health Partners and Oxford Academic Health Science Centre. It was launched in April 2014 to promote and grow the world-leading life sciences cluster of the South East of England.

The greater South East region is home to five out of the UK’s six Academic Health Science Centres and has four universities regularly placed in the global top 10.

Just north of London, in Hertfordshire, are the Stevenage Bioscience Catalyst (SBC), and Roche’s global R&D hub, in Welwyn Garden City. Roche invested almost half a billion pounds in UK R&D in 2016 and registered more clinical trials than any other company.

SBC is the UK’s first Open Innovation campus, created to bring academia, biotech and pharma companies together to advance healthcare research more effectively. SBC is jointly funded to the tune of £38m by BEIS, GSK, Wellcome and Innovate UK (TSB).

The University of Cambridge has located an innovation centre at SBC, where it can develop academic drug assets with access to relevant expertise at SBC and GSK. This will lead to the development of relationships with other leading universities, while UCL also has a presence on the site.

Outgoing CEO Martino Picardo says that it is the quality of scientific research in the UK that makes it a serious player on the global R&D stage. “We are world–leading in drug discovery and development across academia, small companies and corporates like GSK and Astra Zeneca, both of which have R&D sites in the UK,” he explained. “We are considered to rank alongside the Boston and California hubs and we must strive to stay at that level. The quality of the science is unquestionable and how we translate that science in new therapies and for patient benefit is good and will get better.”

Top 5 R&D hubs in the UK -Pharmafield (2017)

MedCity: Accelerating cutting-edge innovation in London and the Greater South East of England


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Old 02-03-2021, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Central New Jersey (prev. Boston, NY, Florida)
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BostonBornMassMade

Pre-loaded, half-cocked and biased poll, much?

If my objective were a career in basically anything within the US, then to be sure a Boston-area university, including Harvard which is simply not Boston, would be my first choice.

If my objective were a career in international finance, including insurance, or even ancient history, then to be sure a London-area university and its museums, including Oxford and Cambridge which are simply and quintessentially London for the purposes of this discussion, would be my first choice.

By the way, I have a degree from a Boston-area university and another one from a London-area university (both actually in the city proper, respectively).
The poll stems from another thread where some New York boosters were trying to pivot a thread into how Boston isn't close to being a capital of education.. it was a whole big thing.

I think In general New England is more so than London Area.
London Area is moreso than Greater Boston.
But Harvard and MIT are the most powerful two universities at the moment, especially since COVID. One of whom is getting approval for their vaccine.

It's all how you look at things from different dimensions and it depends on each field individually too. I'd edge London itself over Boston if it came down to that. But Boston is making big strides and Harvard is basically doubling and a lot of the universities are expanding immensely so we will see.

I mean both are top tier cities and I'm sure some Europeans might be able to convince provide evidence why London is a tied or two ahead of Boston since it's education seems more worldly than Boston. Boston is the hub for America it seems. Whereas London is the world.
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Old 02-03-2021, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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The poll stems from another thread where some New York boosters were trying to pivot a thread into how Boston isn't close to being a capital of education.. it was a whole big thing.

I think In general New England is more so than London Area.
London Area is moreso than Greater Boston.
But Harvard and MIT are the most powerful two universities at the moment, especially since COVID. One of whom is getting approval for their vaccine.

It's all how you look at things from different dimensions and it depends on each field individually too. I'd edge London itself over Boston if it came down to that. But Boston is making big strides and Harvard is basically doubling and a lot of the universities are expanding immensely so we will see.

I mean both are top tier cities and I'm sure some Europeans might be able to convince provide evidence why London is a tied or two ahead of Boston since it's education seems more worldly than Boston. Boston is the hub for America it seems. Whereas London is the world.
Oxford and Cambridge are both around 55 miles from London rather than the 200 plus miles that constitutes Boston to NYC. Indeed 55 miles it's more similar to say Boston to Portsmouth, New Hampshire or Boston to New Bedford both of which are around 60 miles from Boston.

The distance between NY and Boston is more similar to the distance between London and Paris, which is around 200 plus miles and just over two hours by high speed Eurostar train. The distance is also equivalent to London and Manchester (North West), which is itself a notable area in terms of education and discovery, as well as pharma/bio-techs etc.

In terns of Covid, the UK has already developed the Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine, which has now been successfully given to many millions of people, indeed over 10 million people have now been vaccinated in the UK alone.

Whilst Imperial College London is now focus on RNA technology and on developing the next-generation vaccine that would target coronavirus mutations and provide boosters for existing vaccines.

British pharma company GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) has also struck a deal with German company CureVac to develop next-generation COVID-19 vaccines that target several variants of the virus in one product and is directing much it's research towards vaccines related to any potential future Covid mutations.

Covid: New Oxford vaccine 'ready by the autumn' to tackle mutations - BBC News (3rd Feb 2021)

COVID-19: Work starts on coronavirus vaccine that will target variants - Sky News (3rd Feb 2021)

Imperial vaccine tech to target COVID mutations and booster doses - Imperial College London (26th Jan 2021)

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Old 02-03-2021, 02:12 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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London is a massive education hub by it's self, just like NYC and Paris are.

London has five large medical schools - Imperial, UCL, King's, Queen Mark and St George's, and is a big biosciences, pharma and tech hub with lots of investment, and they are among the most highly respected institutions in the world, and have some of the best facilities.

London has mentioned is also home to some of the most highly rated universities in the world and has a long history of education and scientific research.

In recent years vast new investment has seen the Francis Crick Institute open and projects such as Imperials expansion at White City and UCL at Stratford, as well as the London Cancer Hub at Sutton.

Recent changes include the development of the Royal National ENT and Eastman Dental Hospitals is the largest such facility in Europe, whilst UCL Moorfields Eye Hospital is moving to superb new facilities in Kings Cross. Moorfields os the oldest and largest centre for ophthalmic treatment, teaching and research in Europe.

Then you have other famous hospitals such as the Royal Marsden, which was the first hospital in the world dedicated to the study and treatment of cancer.

Great Ormond Street Hospital which is one of the world's leading children's hospitals, housing the widest range of specialists under one roof.

Then you have Harefield Hosital in Hillingdin, the largest specialist heart and lung centre in the UK and among the largest in Europe. Harefield's sister hospital is the Royal Brompton Hospital in Chelsea.

The National Hospital for Neurology and Neurosurgery (informally the National Hospital or Queen Square) is a neurological hospital in Queen Square, London. It is part of the University College London Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust. It is closely associated with University College London (UCL).

King's the largest centre for healthcare training in Europe, and has one of the largest renal and transplant units in Europe.

Barts Heart Centre is Europe's largest, integrating staff and services from three sites in one, and in terms of large critical care hospitals, London has some of the largest and most impressive in Europe.

St Mark's Hospital in Harrow is the only hospital in the world to specialise entirely in intestinal and colorectal medicine and is a national and international referral centre for intestinal and colorectal disorders.It is the only hospital in the UK, and one of only 14 worldwide, to be recognised as a centre of excellence by the World Organisation of Digestive Endoscopy.

The Royal National Orthopaedic Hospital (RNOH) is a specialist orthopaedic hospital located in Greater London, United Kingdom, and a part of Royal National Orthopaedic Hospital NHS Trust. It provides the most comprehensive range of neuro-musculoskeletal health care in the UK, including acute spinal injury, complex bone tumour treatment, orthopaedic medicine and specialist rehabilitation for chronic back pain. The RNOH is a major teaching centre and around 20% of orthopaedic surgeons in the UK receive training there.

The Hospital for Tropical Diseases (HTD) in London specialoses in tropical and infectious diseases, and ids one of the oldest and most highly respected in the world and it works closely with The London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, a world leading centre for research and postgraduate education in public and global health.

London is also home to world famous psychiatric units, including the Maudsley Hospital and Royal Betlhlem (Bedlam) whilst the West London NHS Trust is responsible for the Broadmoor High Security Psychiatric Hospital.

This is however just scratching the surface in terms of London's medical history and hospitals, as well as the massive London life sciences sector, and investment.

Here are some of London's Historic Health and Medicine Museums - The London Museums of Health and Medicine

The RCS building is currently undergoing a major redevelopment. The Hunterian Museum will open again to the public in early 2023.

Hunterian Museum - Royal College of Surgeons



There might have been some context to that post you might be missing since you're not from the US. His saying Harvard and MIT not being in Boston are because the City of Boston itself doesn't have very large boundaries and Harvard and MIT are actually in the adjacent municipality which itself is even smaller. It's a bit akin to how the City of London technically covers a rather small parcel of land though Boston and Cambridge actually do have larger municipal governance divisions.



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It is about time we brought British railways into the 21st century, I see there is some talk of re-opening some of the old branch lines that Breeching closed in the sixties.

I'd be happy if the US just got into at least the late 20th century. ICE, TGV and Shinkansen networks have been around for decades.
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Old 02-03-2021, 06:25 PM
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I haven’t been to London therefore I can’t comment on it. A relative of mine actually graduated from UCL though.

But B-town is definitely one hell of an education city in the States.
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Old 02-03-2021, 07:12 PM
 
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Default Check out World University ratings in top ten

USA is listed in the top ten universities in the world,only one in "Boston".
2nd place is Harvard (Boston area),

3rd is Stanford,
8th is Berkeley,
9th is Columbia,
10th is UCLA.



United Kingdom is 1st place (UCL),

4th U of Oxford,

5th U of Cambridge.


Hong Kong is 6th U of Hong Kong


Canada is 7th, U of Toronto




https://www.topuniversities.com/univ...ation-training
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Old 02-03-2021, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Essex County, MA
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^Seems that website just...didn't rank MIT? I scrolled through the top 100 and I didn't see it.
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Old 02-03-2021, 08:54 PM
 
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USA is listed in the top ten universities in the world,only one in "Boston".
2nd place is Harvard (Boston area),

3rd is Stanford,
8th is Berkeley,
9th is Columbia,
10th is UCLA.



United Kingdom is 1st place (UCL),

4th U of Oxford,

5th U of Cambridge.


Hong Kong is 6th U of Hong Kong


Canada is 7th, U of Toronto




https://www.topuniversities.com/univ...ation-training
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^Seems that website just...didn't rank MIT? I scrolled through the top 100 and I didn't see it.

^that's because that post was linking strictly to the university rankings for studying Education as a subject and MIT does not offer degrees in Education.


If you want to go for the overall rankings, MIT ranked #1 in 2021 and in previous years as well.
https://www.topuniversities.com/univ...-rankings/2021
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Old 02-04-2021, 03:55 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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USA is listed in the top ten universities in the world,only one in "Boston".
2nd place is Harvard (Boston area),

3rd is Stanford,
8th is Berkeley,
9th is Columbia,
10th is UCLA.



United Kingdom is 1st place (UCL),

4th U of Oxford,

5th U of Cambridge.


Hong Kong is 6th U of Hong Kong


Canada is 7th, U of Toronto




https://www.topuniversities.com/univ...ation-training


In terms of London UCL and Imperial are usually in the top ten alongside Oxford and Cambridge, with Kings in he top 20 or 30, and then you have more specialised colleges that do very well such as the London Business School, LSE, SOAS, Royal Veterinary College etc etc.

Established in 1791 and based in London and Hertfordshire, the RVC is the oldest veterinary school in the English-speaking world, and was founded by a group led by Granville Penn, a grandson of William Penn.

In terms of Music Schools, London has the Royal College of Music, the Royal Academy of Music, Guildhall School of Music & Drama and Trinity Laban. It is also home to the Royal Ballet School and English National Ballet school, and there are numerous drama schools including the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art.

Boston is a great education hub and is acknowledged as one of the best places in the world for education, science and culture but it's very different to London, in terms of scale and size, indeed NYC is probably a better comparison. Indeed as a national capital London is like across between NYC and Washington DC, and it is home to all kinds of national museums, libraries, education, societies, arts and culture.

Education in London - Wikipedia

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Old 02-04-2021, 09:33 AM
 
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Reading the title and not looking at the poll, the first three I thought of are Boston, London, Paris.

Of course Oxford and Cambridge are part of London for the purposes of this discussion, no need to bring in statisticians and lawyers to indulge in a sterile pissing contest.

I would also add the British Museum and especially the British Library Museum as part of London's advanced education assets and the Louvre as part of that of Paris.

I don't think Boston has anything like those three museums, perhaps Washington D.C. does.
Preloaded... ?

I put two options on and simply said. "Which one is it"

Where's the bias. What's it "loaded" with?
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