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View Poll Results: What city is the "Education Capital of the World"
Boston 19 51.35%
London 12 32.43%
Other 6 16.22%
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Old 02-05-2021, 08:53 AM
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...politan_Boston

The Boston area has these. Obviously, Harvard and MIT are the most notable, but it does have a lot of other institutions aside from that. Some highlights might be Berklee College of Music, New England Conservatory of Music, MassArt.


I will say though, if we're going to go into research institutions in addition to universities, then the San Francisco Bay Area likely takes it given its dense concentration of major and prominent labs, but I don't know if primary research really is the same thing as education.
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The Boston area has these. Obviously, Harvard and MIT are the most notable, but it does have a lot of other institutions aside from that. Some highlights might be Berklee College of Music, New England Conservatory of Music, MassArt.


I will say though, if we're going to go into research institutions in addition to universities, then the San Francisco Bay Area likely takes it given its dense concentration of major and prominent labs, but I don't know if primary research really is the same thing as education.
Research in relation to pharma and bio-sciences is closely linked to universities, and is one of the reasons that you find so many science parks in areas around top Universities.

In terms of Art and Culture, London has five full time symphony orchestras, with numerous chamber orchestras and concert halls, with plans to build even more, with over 22,000 live music performances in London every year.

Whilst only Broadway comes close to London's West End and Theatre-land, and the London region also excels in film production and special effects.

London is home to both the Royal Ballet and Royal Opera House, as well as the English National Opera and English National Ballets who perform at the Coliseum and Royal Albert Hall, there are also numerous other such as Sadlers Wells, Ramberts etc.

London is also full of hundreds of free museums and art galleries including 15 National Museums and the British Library, as well as having 383 public libraries.

London is a city of over 9 million, and has more in common with NYC than Boston, and is also a national capital so houses national collections in the same way Washington DC does.

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Research in relation to pharma and bio-sciences is closely linked to universities, and is one of the reasons that you find so many science parks in areas around top Universities.

In terms of Art and Culture, London has five full time symphony orchestras, with numerous chamber orchestras and concert halls, with plans to build even more, with over 22,000 live music performances in London every year.

Whilst only Broadway comes close to London's West End and Theatre-land, and the London region also excels in film production and special effects.

London is home to both the Royal Ballet and Royal Opera House, as well as the English National Opera and English National Ballets who perform at the Coliseum and Royal Albert Hall, there are also numerous other such as Sadlers Wells, Ramberts etc.

London is also full of hundreds of free museums and art galleries including 15 National Museums and the British Library, as well as having 383 public libraries.

London is a city of over 9 million, and has more in common with NYC than Boston, and is also a national capital so houses national collections in the same way Washington DC does.

Right, and so if we're including science parks and research institutions, then the San Francisco Bay Area really does put itself well ahead of both London and Boston and pretty much anywhere else (even against Tokyo despite it being so productive and there being a massive difference in metropolitan area population) and that's if you go by prominent researchers and prizes, public funding, private funding, patents issued, papers published in peer reviewed journals, all of it and significantly so. However, I don't think that's fair overall in talking about education which isn't quite the same thing and isn't necessarily that strongly STEMS focused.


If it's higher education, then Boston and London are pretty good picks. I think if you want to talk about research institutions, it's the San Francisco Bay Area, though I suspect that were military or defense-funded research was even a little more transparent in China, Beijing would probably be up there.
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Old 02-05-2021, 11:23 AM
 
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The UK has a very different culture and system, the Universities are virtually all public, and people tend to leave money to charities.
That’s super cool and thanks for the info! I still don’t know if it explains why the University of Manchester is so high on that other list or why Boston University is so low.

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I will say though, if we're going to go into research institutions in addition to universities, then the San Francisco Bay Area likely takes it given its dense concentration of major and prominent labs, but I don't know if primary research really is the same thing as education.
Does the Bay Area really have more lab space than the Boston area?
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Old 02-05-2021, 11:58 AM
 
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That’s super cool and thanks for the info! I still don’t know if it explains why the University of Manchester is so high on that other list or why Boston University is so low.



Does the Bay Area really have more lab space than the Boston area?

By square footage? I don't know--I haven't come across that metric before.


I do think one thing that people often don't understand about the Bay Area is that a primary reason for why Silicon Valley is based there and why it is so prominent has a lot to do with US public funding.


The area hosts an unusual dense concentration of US national laboratories, the Ames Research Center and those have been around for several decades and are driving forces behind (including public and private) university and private research. Now there are just an absurd amount of independent, private, and corporate research institutions in the area, but the early ones were the government public ones and really kicked things off for everything else.
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Right, and so if we're including science parks and research institutions, then the San Francisco Bay Area really does put itself well ahead of both London and Boston and pretty much anywhere else (even against Tokyo despite it being so productive and there being a massive difference in metropolitan area population) and that's if you go by prominent researchers and prizes, public funding, private funding, patents issued, papers published in peer reviewed journals, all of it and significantly so. However, I don't think that's fair overall in talking about education which isn't quite the same thing and isn't necessarily that strongly STEMS focused.


If it's higher education, then Boston and London are pretty good picks. I think if you want to talk about research institutions, it's the San Francisco Bay Area, though I suspect that were military or defense-funded research was even a little more transparent in China, Beijing would probably be up there.
London's full of tech giants, research and headquarters, as is the Golden Triangle which is home to big multinational pharma and bioscience companies.

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Goldman's new London office set for occupancy in 2019 | Reuters

Bloomberg's £1 billion HQ in London won't have canteen... to encourage employees to go outside | London Evening Standard

Google's new YouTube space in London - Business Insider

Google's new £1bn King's Cross HQ: 11-storey building will boast a swimming pool, gym, games area and a rooftop cafe | City A.M.

Apple moving into London's $17 billion Battersea Power Station neighborhood - Business Insider

Amazon moves staff into huge London office in Shoreditch - Business Insider

Amazon creates thousands of new jobs in another win for post Brexit UK and Expedia expands London office - City A.M.

Alibaba takes space in Davidson Building in London - Business Insider

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Bennetts and AHMM design Facebook's new London headquarters -Dezeen

Snapchat sets up international office in London - BBC News

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Venture investment in UK fintech more than doubles | Financial Times

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London's full of tech giants, research and headquarters, as is the Golden Triangle.

£46 billion of capital is targeting London’s office investment market in 2021 - Knight Frank

Chanel chooses London for global office - The BBC

Starbucks moves European Head Office to London

Deutsche Bank commits to London by securing new HQ - The Telegraph

Brexit boost for London as Bank of America Merrill Lynch eyes new City base - Telegraph

Wells Fargo buys 33 Central London office for £300 million despite Brexit - Business Insider

Goldman's new London office set for occupancy in 2019 | Reuters

Bloomberg's £1 billion HQ in London won't have canteen... to encourage employees to go outside | London Evening Standard

Google's new YouTube space in London - Business Insider

Google's new £1bn King's Cross HQ: 11-storey building will boast a swimming pool, gym, games area and a rooftop cafe | City A.M.

Apple moving into London's $17 billion Battersea Power Station neighborhood - Business Insider

Amazon moves staff into huge London office in Shoreditch - Business Insider

Amazon creates thousands of new jobs in another win for post Brexit UK and Expedia expands London office - City A.M.

Alibaba takes space in Davidson Building in London - Business Insider

Microsoft move to Paddington, London | Design Insider

Expedia takes flight with 400000 sq ft London HQ hunt - CoStar

Bennetts and AHMM design Facebook's new London headquarters -Dezeen

Snapchat sets up international office in London - BBC News

Chinese swoop on Royal Albert Dock site for new financial hub in London as pound falls after Brexit | London Evening Standard

Another addition to London’s growing skyline, the new ‘Jenga Tower’ in Blackfriars

City of London 'Cheesegrater 2' skyscraper approved - BBC News

City of London's third tallest skyscraper, The Diamond, revealed - The Guardian

London Docklands Wood Wharf phase 2 to start in 2019 | Construction Enquirer

21 Skyscrapers that will transform London's skyline by 2020 - Business Insider

London's skyline soars with record 510 tall buildings in pipeline - The Guardian

More than 500 towers planned for London | Construction Enquirer

UK set to become third global hub for biosciences as investment booms - The Telegraph

London is Europe's number one fintech hub for global investors

Venture investment in UK fintech more than doubles | Financial Times

London dominates tech start-up investment in Europe

Sure it is, but if you're including that for education and giving it some weight, then it's obviously the San Francisco Bay Area that runs away with it and it's not close at all save for the previously mentioned possibility of Beijing. However, I don't think of that as quite the same as education though of course a lot of research universities participate in a good deal of research as part of the education. The San Francisco Bay Area really is a large anomaly in that respect--still though, even though the Bay Area does have some very good research universities, I don't think it's fair to say research institutions are directly correlated to a topic asking about education in general.

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Sure it is, but if you're including that for education and giving it some weight, then it's obviously the San Francisco Bay Area that runs away with it and it's not close at all. However, I don't think of that as quite the same as education though of course a lot of research universities participate in a good deal of research as part of the education. The San Francisco Bay Area really is a large anomaly in that respect.
The Golden Triangle of Oxford/Cambridge and the University of London has always been strong in terms of scientific research which is why they have 277 Nobel Prizes between them.

The UK is especially strong in life sciences, whilst it also the leading tech centre in Europe.

Silicon Fen is now Europe’s biggest technology cluster, with the knowledge-intensive firms that call it their home transforming industries and contributing to the UK economy no-end. The cluster now represents six decades of innovation and enterprise. Amazon, Apple, AstraZeneca, GSK, Huawei, Pfizerm Microsoft ,Samsung etc are just a few of the world-leading brands, as well as start up's that have set up operations here.

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From the industrial revolution through to the splitting of the Atom in Manchester through to Antibiotics and the structure of DNA, from CT Scanners and MRI Machines through to the train, jet engine, hovercraft and eve Maglev, the UK has always been a nation of notable scientists and inventors, as well as leading universities.

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The Golden Triangle of Oxford/Cambridge and the University of London has always been strong in terms of scientific research which is why they have 277 Nobel Prizes between them.

The UK is especially strong in life sciences, whilst it also the leading tech centre in Europe.

Silicon Fen - Wikipedia

From the industrial revolution through to the splitting of the Atom in Manchester through to Antibiotics and the structure of DNA, from CT Scanners and MRI Machines through to the train, jet engine, hovercraft and eve Maglev, the UK has always been a nation of notable scientists and inventors, as well as leading universities.



No one's saying they aren't though the golden triangle is pretty large and the Nobel Prizes go back 120 years and the Bay Area didn't really start becoming such a preeminent research center until about half a century ago. At this point though and for the last couple of decades, the San Francisco Bay Area has taken a firm and very prominent lead save for perhaps Beijing in recent years.



Silicon Fen being a leading tech center in Europe is true, but what is that compared to the leading tech center of the world? It's not nothing, but it is a very different landscape when you're talking about the world at large and in the last few decades. Like look at patents in the world by cities as compiled by OECD (which would obviously leave out Beijing): https://www.uschamberfoundation.org/...novation/34103


Look at Nature's index which doesn't necessarily account for a lot of applied engineering research and private, corporate research: https://www.natureindex.com/suppleme...tables/overall


Then with that in mind, look at the market cap of companies around the world and how many of these companies are heavily research based and based in the Bay Area: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...alization#2020


You can probably take the entire Golden Triangle and put it against the Bay Area and it wouldn't make much of a difference; the San Francisco Bay Area when it comes to research is in a different tier. However, I don't think that's quite the same as education where I would actually put London above the Bay Area because STEMS research is not the equivalent to education in general. If you were going just by research output in the 21st century though, London probably doesn't make the top ten in the world--but is that really the same as education?
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No one's saying they aren't though the golden triangle is pretty large and the Nobel Prizes go back 120 years and the Bay Area didn't really start becoming such a preeminent research center until about half a century ago. At this point though and for the last couple of decades, the San Francisco Bay Area has taken a firm and very prominent lead save for perhaps Beijing in recent years.



Silicon Fen being a leading tech center in Europe is true, but what is that compared to the leading tech center of the world? It's not nothing, but it is a very different landscape when you're talking about the world at large and in the last few decades. Like look at patents in the world by cities as compiled by OECD (which would obviously leave out Beijing): https://www.uschamberfoundation.org/...novation/34103


Look at Nature's index which doesn't necessarily account for a lot of applied engineering research and private, corporate research: https://www.natureindex.com/suppleme...tables/overall


Then with that in mind, look at the market cap of companies around the world and how many of these companies are heavily research based and based in the Bay Area: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...alization#2020


You can probably take the entire Golden Triangle and put it against the Bay Area and it wouldn't make much of a difference; the San Francisco Bay Area when it comes to research is in a different tier. However, I don't think that's quite the same as education where I would actually put London above the Bay Area because STEMS research is not the equivalent to education in general. If you were going just by research output in the 21st century though, London probably doesn't make the top ten in the world--but is that really the same as education?
Silicon Fen is an important tech centre and coupled with Oxford and London makes for a world class collaboration between academia, tech, bioscience, pharma, finance and a host of other areas, and is up there with the best in the world.
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