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View Poll Results: Who do you support?
Palestine 58 28.16%
Israel 148 71.84%
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Old 06-28-2023, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Israel is just as guilty as Palestine regarding their behavior. Israel should be scolded when they misbehave As a Libertarian minded person our country should no longer be involved. It would be nice if a President came to power and said, Middle East, Ukraine, Taiwan you can all blow yourself to bits. We're done. We only care about the US from now on. Leave the UN, Nato, and all the others. I can only dream. If i was President this is what i would do. MSNBC, CNN, and ABC would scream and cry.
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Old 06-28-2023, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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only if you believe that false propaganda that anti-zionism is anti semitism. it is not. Israel was created with evil intentions, to have a western puppet in the middle east. Jews are too smart for them to be made into anybody’s puppet. so Israel is what Israel is and does what Israelis do. if the world calls them out on it for the apartheid state the Israel govt has created with the help of US arms and money, it is not antisemitism, it is legitimate criticism. the same criticism South Africa suffered for its brutal racist administration and which finally was ended.
"Anti-zionism isn't anti semitism, blah blah blah..."

*Promptly follows up with antisemetic "Israel's creation was evil" and "Israel is an Apartheid state" canards*
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Old 07-02-2023, 05:56 AM
 
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I see nothing wrong with Israel having a constitutionally privileged position for Jews , there are countless Muslim countries where Muslims have greater rights than non Muslims and in a far more egregious way before the law than in Israel

However, the practice of knocking down people’s houses, forcing the occupants out , rebuilding settlements and populating said settlements with New Yorkers and Russians is indefensible, that is going to anger anyone and Arabs are no different when they loose their home’s, unconditional backing of Israel requires a cultish mindset
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Old 07-02-2023, 06:05 AM
 
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Let’s be honest here. None of the current solutions would work. Hatred runs deep in those nations. The difference with Israel is that they established a successful country in spite of these problems while all other players in that region do is wallowing in their stupid bitterness.
To be honest as long as there are extremists who won't compromise there is no chance for a peaceful solution.

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However, the practice of knocking down people’s houses, forcing the occupants out , rebuilding settlements and populating said settlements with New Yorkers and Russians is indefensible, that is going to anger anyone and Arabs are no different when they loose their home’s, unconditional backing of Israel requires a cultish mindset
Some places are being repopulated with Jews are ones that had a Jewish population in them before 1948.

Although it doesn't seem to be a good deterrent/punishment for those who commit terror against Israelis, the destruction of terrorist families home is the reason it is done. They don't randomly destroy people's homes without a good reason.
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Old 07-02-2023, 06:09 AM
 
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I see nothing wrong with Israel having a constitutionally privileged position for Jews , there are countless Muslim countries where Muslims have greater rights than non Muslims and in a far more egregious way before the law than in Israel

However, the practice of knocking down people’s houses, forcing the occupants out , rebuilding settlements and populating said settlements with New Yorkers and Russians is indefensible, that is going to anger anyone and Arabs are no different when they loose their home’s, unconditional backing of Israel requires a cultish mindset
So Israel is no different from “Muslim countries”. Then why does US have a “special relationship” with Israel and bomb the other countries which are the same?
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Old 07-02-2023, 06:12 AM
 
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To be honest as long as there are extremists who won't compromise there is no chance for a peaceful solution.



Some places are being repopulated with Jews are ones that had a Jewish population in them before 1948.

Although it doesn't seem to be a good deterrent/punishment for those who commit terror against Israelis, the destruction of terrorist families home is the reason it is done. They don't randomly destroy people's homes without a good reason.
News flash: Israel is not God. Stop wreaking vengeance per your own rules and murdering innocent people and children. Stop illegal settlements.
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Old 07-02-2023, 03:45 PM
 
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To be honest as long as there are extremists who won't compromise there is no chance for a peaceful solution.



Some places are being repopulated with Jews are ones that had a Jewish population in them before 1948.

Although it doesn't seem to be a good deterrent/punishment for those who commit terror against Israelis, the destruction of terrorist families home is the reason it is done. They don't randomly destroy people's homes without a good reason.
That’s about as legitimate and convincing as saying burglars don’t rob specific houses without good reason
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Old 07-02-2023, 03:49 PM
 
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So Israel is no different from “Muslim countries”. Then why does US have a “special relationship” with Israel and bomb the other countries which are the same?
I mean Israel being a Jewish state is no different than Saudi Arabia or Iran or even Qatar being officially Muslim states , I have a lot of issues with how the state of Israel conducts itself in other ways, the U.S Israel special relationship is a separate issue, the U.S is utterly biased and not remotely a broker for any solution in terms of the conflict
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Old 07-03-2023, 07:31 AM
 
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I mean Israel being a Jewish state is no different than Saudi Arabia or Iran or even Qatar being officially Muslim states , I have a lot of issues with how the state of Israel conducts itself in other ways, the U.S Israel special relationship is a separate issue, the U.S is utterly biased and not remotely a broker for any solution in terms of the conflict
It used to be that Palestine seeked out the US to mediate in peace talks. Even though the US was pro-Israeli biased they also knew that the US could influence Israel to meet in the middle. But that was the Arafat PLO days. Now we have hardliners like Hezbollah and Hamas controlling part of Palestine (and Abbas and his PLO in the West Bank, but he is almost powerless) that are decidedly anti-US. The idea now I think is to get "the quartet" (US, UN, EU, Russia) to mediate the peace process. Anyone seriously think that will work? Most of EU and UN is still endorsing the 2 state solution. A fools errand in my opinion.

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So Israel is no different from “Muslim countries”. Then why does US have a “special relationship” with Israel and bomb the other countries which are the same?
I take that as a sincere question and just not spouting off. The US-Israel "special relationship" actually took off during the Kennedy years. The reason being to balance the cold war with the USSR and the Russian influence in the arab states, and also for, admittedly, domestic political reasons. That "special relationship" is now a bipartisan platform and has benefited the US in a number of ways both economically and security-wise. However we also have good relations with a number of Arab countries - Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan.
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Old 07-03-2023, 08:09 AM
 
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It used to be that Palestine seeked out the US to mediate in peace talks. Even though the US was pro-Israeli biased they also knew that the US could influence Israel to meet in the middle. But that was the Arafat PLO days. Now we have hardliners like Hezbollah and Hamas controlling part of Palestine (and Abbas and his PLO in the West Bank, but he is almost powerless) that are decidedly anti-US. The idea now I think is to get "the quartet" (US, UN, EU, Russia) to mediate the peace process. Anyone seriously think that will work? Most of EU and UN is still endorsing the 2 state solution. A fools errand in my opinion.



I take that as a sincere question and just not spouting off. The US-Israel "special relationship" actually took off during the Kennedy years. The reason being to balance the cold war with the USSR and the Russian influence in the arab states, and also for, admittedly, domestic political reasons. That "special relationship" is now a bipartisan platform and has benefited the US in a number of ways both economically and security-wise. However we also have good relations with a number of Arab countries - Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan.
Of course it has benefitted US in a number if ways, like in arms deals. The special relationship is also the cause of propping up tyrants, allowing illegal settlements, and calling lost human lives as collateral. Then we wonder why they hate us.
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