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View Poll Results: Who do you support?
Palestine 58 28.16%
Israel 148 71.84%
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Old 07-03-2023, 09:01 AM
 
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Of course it has benefitted US in a number if ways, like in arms deals. The special relationship is also the cause of propping up tyrants, allowing illegal settlements, and calling lost human lives as collateral. Then we wonder why they hate us.
So you were just nonsensically spouting off and really had no interest in history. OK lesson learned.

Anyways, who hates us? Iran-backed Hamas and Islamic Jihad? Ya think?
The US is the "Great Satan", always has been, always will be. Doesn't matter if the US allows illegal settlements or not (which we don't unilaterally as the US has taken steps in the past to pressure Israel to back off...none of it mattered), doesn't matter how much billions in aid the US has given the Palestinians. This is an ideological based hatred, it's been institutionalized and indoctrinated.

There is no dictator-like "tyrant" leading Israel as it is considered a parliamentary republic. Did you not know this?

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Old 07-03-2023, 12:38 PM
 
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Stop wreaking vengeance per your own rules and murdering innocent people and children .
Since 1920 it has been Palestinian Arabs terrorists murdering innocent Palestinian/Israeli Jews of all ages.
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Old 07-04-2023, 06:22 AM
 
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It used to be that Palestine seeked out the US to mediate in peace talks. Even though the US was pro-Israeli biased they also knew that the US could influence Israel to meet in the middle. But that was the Arafat PLO days. Now we have hardliners like Hezbollah and Hamas controlling part of Palestine (and Abbas and his PLO in the West Bank, but he is almost powerless) that are decidedly anti-US. The idea now I think is to get "the quartet" (US, UN, EU, Russia) to mediate the peace process. Anyone seriously think that will work? Most of EU and UN is still endorsing the 2 state solution. A fools errand in my opinion.



I take that as a sincere question and just not spouting off. The US-Israel "special relationship" actually took off during the Kennedy years. The reason being to balance the cold war with the USSR and the Russian influence in the arab states, and also for, admittedly, domestic political reasons. That "special relationship" is now a bipartisan platform and has benefited the US in a number of ways both economically and security-wise. However we also have good relations with a number of Arab countries - Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan.
The level of unconditional support for Israel has increased dramatically in Washington this past twenty years
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Old 07-04-2023, 08:25 PM
 
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Israeli terrorists invade Palestine!!

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/middl...hnk/index.html
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Old 07-04-2023, 09:13 PM
 
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The level of unconditional support for Israel has increased dramatically in Washington this past twenty years
Israel also flourished economically in the past 20 years while Israel's enemies remain complete losers. Why wouldn't Washington support Israel unconditionally?
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Old 07-05-2023, 06:15 AM
 
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Israeli terrorists invade Palestine!!

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/middl...hnk/index.html
Your title is misleading. There is no country called Palestine. The West Bank is an autonomous area attached to the State of Israel (meaning it is still part of Israel). Therefore an Israeli military operation there is not an invasion of Palestine!
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Old 07-05-2023, 06:38 AM
 
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Israel also flourished economically in the past 20 years while Israel's enemies remain complete losers. Why wouldn't Washington support Israel unconditionally?
Then stop referring to America as in anyway impartial
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Old 07-05-2023, 07:57 AM
 
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The level of unconditional support for Israel has increased dramatically in Washington this past twenty years
I would argue that US support to Israel is neither totally unconditional or has increased dramatically in the past 20 years.
20 years ago support included economic assistance and corrected for inflation is not really that much more. It was also equivalent to 10% of Israel's economy at the time. Today it is almost all for military/defense, particularly Iron Dome, and equivalent to only about 1% of Israel's economy.

In terms of conditions, it's unwritten but understood. One of the best examples is during the first gulf war when Israel stood down from getting involved in the conflict when Saddam was throwing scud missiles into Israel. Doing so would have upset the fragile Arab alliance against Iraq, so Bush told them to stand down and take it. That was years ago of course. Now it's more subtle. More recently Biden has pressured Netanyahu to impose some judicial reforms and to tax foreign NGO money.
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Old 07-05-2023, 08:12 AM
 
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I would argue that US support to Israel is neither totally unconditional or has increased dramatically in the past 20 years.
20 years ago support included economic assistance and corrected for inflation is not really that much more. It was also equivalent to 10% of Israel's economy at the time. Today it is almost all for military/defense, particularly Iron Dome, and equivalent to only about 1% of Israel's economy.

In terms of conditions, it's unwritten but understood. One of the best examples is during the first gulf war when Israel stood down from getting involved in the conflict when Saddam was throwing scud missiles into Israel. Doing so would have upset the fragile Arab alliance against Iraq, so Bush told them to stand down and take it. That was years ago of course. Now it's more subtle. More recently Biden has pressured Netanyahu to impose some judicial reforms and to tax foreign NGO money.
I meant in respect of the conflict, those you cite are domestic mundane issues
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Old 07-05-2023, 08:16 AM
 
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Your title is misleading. There is no country called Palestine. The West Bank is an autonomous area attached to the State of Israel (meaning it is still part of Israel). Therefore an Israeli military operation there is not an invasion of Palestine!
It's called "mowing the grass". Every few years the IDF moves into these areas and clears out the terrorists networks and there supplies of rockets and guns, the tunnels, and the bad guys, and unfortunately some civilians caught in the middle. A few years later they build up again and Israel repeats the process. I don't deny the Israeli right to self defense, no one denies these terrorist hot spots are trying to kill Israeli's and they need to be eliminated, except that now it's simply part of the status quo. I understand the current operation has already ended.
Palestinians kill a few Israeli's, IDF comes in and kills alot of Palestinians. Rinse off and repeat. It's not a permanent solution but both sides seem content to continue on with it.
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