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View Poll Results: Who do you support?
Palestine 58 28.16%
Israel 148 71.84%
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Old 10-15-2023, 05:27 PM
 
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These monkeys want to live in fifth century, I say it’s time to send them all back there once and for all.

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Old 10-15-2023, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Paradise CA, that place on fire
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I have ZERO sympathy towards China or Russia, but I can't help thinking what would happen if a thousand Palestinians or Chechens would descend on Beijing or Moscow and start massacring everyone in sight. Obviously the invaders would be annihilated, along with their country of origin, because China / Russia cares more about the welfare of their nation than world opinion. The Palestinians would never attack Russia (I'm aware of the geography ) because they do fear the nukes. But they are willing to attack Israel and they learned to manipulate world opinion and they are asking for our sympathy.

My point is that Hamas is careful enough to pick on a civilized country. Try that with someone completely different and there won't be a Gaza Strip the next day.

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Old 10-15-2023, 05:40 PM
 
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I have ZERO sympathy towards China or Russia, but I can't help thinking what would happen if a thousand Palestinians or Chechens would descend on Beijing or Moscow and start massacring everyone in sight. Obviously the invaders would be annihilated, along with their country of origin, because China / Russia cares more about the welfare of their nation than world opinion. The Palestinians would never attack Russia (I'm aware of the geography ) because they do fear the nukes. But they are willing to attack Israel and they learned to manipulate world opinion and they are asking for our sympathy.
Chechens tried to make some noise and were exterminated for the most part. You have to send them back to fifth century every time you get a chance.
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Old 10-15-2023, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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You do know Hamas weren't elected in the West Bank? Also there was no reports of petrol bombs being thrown but just stones and altercations with Israeli settlers who are also armed.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-pale...-in-west-bank/

52 Palestinians have been killed so far in the west Bank in these attacks over the last few days. If throwing stones should get you shot let's see how long western governments last that allow their police force to implement such a tactic. It's barbaric mate and attacks by Israeli settlers and soldiers have been going on for years. Not to mention the unrest only started when Israel imposed restrictions on Palestinians in the west Bank shutting much of it down. They don't have freedom.

As for saying the Palestinian people don't deserve peace by electing Hamas is like saying Americans don't deserve peace because they voted in Presidents that waged the largest wars the middle east has seen for years killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in what it called collateral damage for nothing in return. Al Qaeda's main justification for 9/11 was due to American atrocities in the middle east. Your using THEIR logic to support the same actions against the Palestinians

Since when did savage and barbaric groups like Hamas and Al Qaeda influence the moral principles as to when it's justifiable to commit genocide against innocent civilians? Do you ever think they are just learning from the west? That the ends justifies the means? This is wrong. All of it is wrong and I assure you we will have to answer for it
That is completely false. Hamas was elected to represent all of the Palestinian Authority in the 2006 legislative elections, winning 74 of the council's 132 seats (to Fatah's 45 seats): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_P...%20the%20lists.. After being elected, however, a power struggle erupted between Hamas and Fatah, with Hamas control being solidified in Gaza and Fatah in the West Bank.

As for evidence of Molotov Cocktails being thrown, history is filled with such examples, to include this story from Al Jazeera (no friend of Israel's) from last month. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...ing-explosives This is an example from this month: https://www.dci-palestine.org/israel...s_in_west_bank A simple Google search on the subject will show countless instances of Palestinian youth hurling Molotov Cocktails at Israeli soldiers. Did you seriously bother to even pretend to look into this?

Yes, throwing stones should get you shot if they pose a deadly threat. It's already been explained and shown that rocks are deadly weapons. Using deadly force as a response to deadly force is completely within the understanding of self defense measures throughout the world. Only when Israel takes steps to defend itself from deadly force do some seem to feign outrage.

And the last part of your post is particularly outrageous. Israel's only "crime" or "offense" here is daring to exist. Or did you forget that its Islamic neighbors launched multiple wars against it to wide it from the face of the earth since Israel declared independence? And organizations like Hamas have continued fighting to eradicate Israel from the face of the earth. Similarly, to some in the Islamic world, the very fact that the U.S. is a liberal democracy that dares to support Israel, that grants freedom to women, and that has values at odds with Islam in general are enough to attack it.
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Old 10-15-2023, 11:13 PM
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Palestine! Israel is a state based off stolen land and Zionism and eats away at western money whilst doing nothing for the western world and killing innocent Palestinians. Israel is a disgusting “country” and it should be annexed by Palestine. Sure Palestine is homophobic but so is Israel, ain’t no gay marriage in Israel.
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Old 10-15-2023, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Chechens tried to make some noise and were exterminated for the most part. You have to send them back to fifth century every time you get a chance.
Chechens weren’t exterminated, the terrorist cells mostly have been, but the people are still alive and due to their high birth rates are one of if not the fastest growing group in Russia. The only time they were “exterminated” was when Stalin deported them to Central Asia after WWII, but they were allowed to return shortly after Stalins death.

Russian Federation
Year: Chechens (%)
1989: 898,999 (0.61%)
2002: 1,360,253 (0.95%)
2010: 1,431,360 (1.00%)
2021: 1,674,854 (1.14%)

And if you focus on Chechnya specifically you will see the ethnic Russian population completely collapsed after the Chechen wars.

Chechnya
Year: Chechens (%) / Russians (%)
1989: 715,306 (66.0%) / 269,130 (24.8%)
2002: 1,031,647 (93.5%) / 40,645 (3.7%)
2010: 1,206,551 (95.3%) / 24,382 (1.9%)
2021: 1,456,792 (96.4%) / 18,225 (1.2%)

And if we look at the capital Grozny the demographic shift is even more drastic.

Grozny
Year: Chechens (%) / Russians (%)
1989: 121,350 (30.5%) / 210,341 (52.9%)
2002: 201,562 (95.7%) / 5,295 (2.5%)
2010: 254,558 (93.73%) / 8,961 (3.30%)

Also after the Chechen wars Russia has put a lot of money into Chechnya and despite having very low GDP is well developed, to the point that many Russians in poorer regions are upset that their taxes are being spent on propping up Chechnya. But propping them up buys the peace and Chechens seem to be satisfied with the current situation.


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Old 10-16-2023, 02:44 AM
 
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Condemning the state of Israel’s attempt and intention to annihilate the people Palatine is not the same as supporting Hamas or the Nazis. That is a lie and is propaganda. There is such a thing as proportional retaliation. Israel should be condemned for this total devastation and its acts of oppression and illegal settlements and expansion.
Israel can’t go door to door asking if Hamas are home

How exactly do they engage the enemy?
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Old 10-16-2023, 03:14 AM
 
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Palestine! Israel is a state based off stolen land and Zionism and eats away at western money whilst doing nothing for the western world and killing innocent Palestinians. Israel is a disgusting “country” and it should be annexed by Palestine. Sure Palestine is homophobic but so is Israel, ain’t no gay marriage in Israel.
Israel is no more entitled to unconditional support than any country which is why I frequently quibble with the borderline cult like discourse around it in America but like any nation, it seeks to defend its own citizens, no country would turn the other cheek following the horrors inflicted last weekend, Israel is not going anywhere, it’s not unique in terms of its foundation negatively affecting other peoples but that’s the story of humanity
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Old 10-16-2023, 03:23 AM
 
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The Hamas regime is funded by the Iran regime. Iran's government leader calls for the annihilation of Israel and uses the term “final solution,” calling forth the identical ideology used by Nazi leadership of genocide against Jews during the Holocaust. Iran funds terrorist groups sworn to slaughter of Jews, including the Lebanon-based Hezbollah and Gaza-based Hamas.
All true but no one is going to war with Iran , think Iraq times ten , the west is busy enough with the Ukrainian war waged by Russia
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Old 10-16-2023, 05:26 AM
 
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Palestine! Israel is a state based off stolen land and Zionism and eats away at western money whilst doing nothing for the western world and killing innocent Palestinians. Israel is a disgusting “country” and it should be annexed by Palestine. Sure Palestine is homophobic but so is Israel, ain’t no gay marriage in Israel.
Your statement is faulty. First of all, gays in Israel have rights to have children and pensions benefits via their employed partners.

Also Israel won land after it was attacked by its neighboring Arab countries in 1948. Before 1948 there were some Jews in the area throughout the centuries and those who came in the late 1800s/early 1900s purchased land legally from locals who sold it to them.

Israel has made significant contributions to the world. If anyone reading this uses a messenger program or smartphone or has had a small medical camera inserted into their body for an medical diagnosis, these are among Israeli inventions.
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