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View Poll Results: Who do you support?
Palestine 58 28.16%
Israel 148 71.84%
Voters: 206. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-07-2023, 02:10 AM
 
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It did, at one time. Land is not an infinite possession it's a possession of the strong, wealthy and/or a product of conflict. What is mine today won't necessarily be mine tomorrow. Ask the Ukrainians or the Armenians or any other nation. ALL land belonged to someone else at one time... historical fact. Only Israel can claim otherwise.

This was and never will be about land for the Palestinian gypsies. There is nothing 'sacred' about Gaza or Israel for the Palestinians. The conflict is just about hating Jews and killing them. Nothing more. The Middle East has tons and tons of land just like or better than Gaza, with no one living on it.
America has even more unused land yet many Americans will defend their property with a “ cold dead fingers “ zeal ( I agree with them )

I’ve said it before, a surprisingly large number of Americans are willing to discard their cherished principles surrounding private property when it comes to this issue of Israelis dispossessing Arabs of their homes

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Old 11-07-2023, 02:19 AM
 
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What about all the Israelis that have been killed by Palestinian terrorists since 1948 and Palestinian Jews that been killed by Arabs since 1920?
Or the Arabs killed by European settlers prior to 1948 ?

We can all cherry pick
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Old 11-07-2023, 02:20 AM
 
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HAMAS is 100% responsible for every single death on both sides. Fully responsible.
No it isn’t , that’s pure ideological reasoning, if Israel decides to nuke the strip , would you gormlessly claim “ it was Hamas fault “ ?

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Old 11-07-2023, 02:29 AM
 
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It did, at one time. Land is not an infinite possession it's a possession of the strong, wealthy and/or a product of conflict. What is mine today won't necessarily be mine tomorrow. Ask the Ukrainians or the Armenians or any other nation. ALL land belonged to someone else at one time... historical fact. Only Israel can claim otherwise.

This was and never will be about land for the Palestinian gypsies. There is nothing 'sacred' about Gaza or Israel for the Palestinians. The conflict is just about hating Jews and killing them. Nothing more. The Middle East has tons and tons of land just like or better than Gaza, with no one living on it.
We dont live in the age of the strong takes what it wants. We live in a relatively more civilized time when reparations for past plunder is demanded. The Jews are the invaders, an invasion facilitated by the same white colonists who colonized the rest of the world and plundered and impoverished the people. There is nothing sacred about land. Life is sacred, all life is sacred.
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Old 11-07-2023, 05:32 AM
 
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Why do we have two threads on essentially the same topic in the same sub-forum (actually 3)?
Someone is spamming.
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Old 11-07-2023, 05:37 AM
 
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Or the Arabs killed by European settlers prior to 1948 ?

We can all cherry pick
Why don't you represent some numbers? The Arabs targeted the Jews. The Palestinian Jews were targeting the British to get them to honor their commitment to establish a Jewish Homeland as per the 1917 Balfour Declaration.
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Old 11-07-2023, 05:38 AM
 
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Then you need to do some research , demolishing Arab property and rebuilding new settlements has been a key feature for years and has ratcheted up considerably in recent years as Bibi has pandered to the most militant of Israelis
I did research and, sorry I find no evidence of that (demolishing of Palestinian settlements). I am not saying that these settlements are OK, but mostly what is taken is farmland or barren desert.

You might be thinking of efforts in the early 2000's where the Israeli PM then demolished some Israeli settlements, literally took a bulldozer to them and forcibly removed his own citizens, to appease Palestinians. Of course it didn't work, attacks by militants continued.
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Old 11-07-2023, 05:43 AM
 
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We dont live in the age of the strong takes what it wants. We live in a relatively more civilized time when reparations for past plunder is demanded. The Jews are the invaders, an invasion facilitated by the same white colonists who colonized the rest of the world and plundered and impoverished the people. There is nothing sacred about land. Life is sacred, all life is sacred.
First of all there have been Jews living in the 4 holy cities of Jerusalem, Safed, Hebron and Tiberius throughout the ages. In 1929, the local Arabs rioted and killed the Hebron Jewish community (which re-established itself after 1967). Starting in the mid-1800s more Jews started to return to the land of their ancestors and therefore they are not invaders. They started to develop land and as a result, more Arabs moved there due to the economic prosperity created by the returning Jews.
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Old 11-07-2023, 05:56 AM
 
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The Jews are the invaders, an invasion facilitated by the same white colonists who colonized the rest of the world and plundered and impoverished the people.
My your posts just drip with anti-Semitism and hate.

I thought you recognized that you were getting overwhelmed with grief at the news and it was impacting you emotionally. There are people in the psychology forum in that thread you started there that were trying to help you. Talk it out there. Seriously. You need to give it a break.

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Old 11-07-2023, 06:40 AM
 
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First of all there have been Jews living in the 4 holy cities of Jerusalem, Safed, Hebron and Tiberius throughout the ages. In 1929, the local Arabs rioted and killed the Hebron Jewish community (which re-established itself after 1967). Starting in the mid-1800s more Jews started to return to the land of their ancestors and therefore they are not invaders. They started to develop land and as a result, more Arabs moved there due to the economic prosperity created by the returning Jews.
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On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. U.S. President Harry S. Truman recognized the new nation on the same day
Until then no country called Israel existed.
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Before 1948, Palestine was home to a diverse population of Arabs, Jews, and Christians, as all groups had religious ties to the area, especially the city of Jerusalem.
So Palestine was homeland for a diversity of people.
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The Nakba (Arabic: النكبة, romanized: an-Nakbah, lit. 'the "disaster", "catastrophe", or "cataclysm"'), also known as the Palestinian Catastrophe was the loss of the Palestinian society and homeland in 1948, and the permanent displacement of a majority of the Palestinian Arabs.
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One of the two envisaged States proclaimed its independence as Israel and in the 1948 war involving neighbouring Arab States expanded to 77 percent of the territory of mandate Palestine, including the larger part of Jerusalem. Over half of the Palestinian Arab population fled or were expelled.
Why do you suppose the Arab population fled? Since that time their lives have been one of imprisonment and oppression.
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