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View Poll Results: Who do you support?
Palestine 58 28.16%
Israel 148 71.84%
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Old 11-07-2023, 06:45 AM
 
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Why don't you represent some numbers? The Arabs targeted the Jews. The Palestinian Jews were targeting the British to get them to honor their commitment to establish a Jewish Homeland as per the 1917 Balfour Declaration.
On whose authority did the Brits declare it? And how many people opposed it even within Britain?
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Although the Balfour offer was applauded by the international Zionist movement, especially in Eastern Europe, it was opposed by a large segment of British Jews, including the only Jew in Lloyd George's Cabinet, Edwin Montagu, a future secretary of state for India.
And when they finally left India they also divided India into 3, and caused another genocide with a carelessly planned and executed partition.
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Old 11-07-2023, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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No it isn’t , that’s pure ideological reasoning, if Israel decides to nuke the strip , would you gormlessly claim “ it was Hamas fault “ ?
Speculation.

Every death on both sides to date is 100% the fault and responsibility of HAMAS. Period. Israel is completely blameless and is simply responding as necessary due to what HAMAS put into motion with their sinister sneak attack massacre. HAMAS owns every death on both sides and ALL of the suffering. Every bit of it, lock stock and barrel. It is all 100% on them. All of it.
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Old 11-07-2023, 07:42 AM
 
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Until then no country called Israel existed. So Palestine was homeland for a diversity of people. Why do you suppose the Arab population fled? Since that time their lives have been one of imprisonment and oppression.
so you are concerned about the "imprisonment and oppression of Arabs" ? what about the imprisonment and oppression of slaves BY Arabs, the Arab slave trade, the Islamic slave trade. "The Arab slave trade, a major component of African history, lasted more than 13 centuries. It began in the early seventh century and continued in one form or another until the 1960s. In Mauritania slavery was officially outlawed only in August 2007.

"The deportation of Africans to the lands of Islam was structured around two main roads: the maritime traffic between the coast of East Africa and the Middle East, and trans-Saharan caravan traffic," "The Arab slave trade was characterized by appalling violence, castration, and rape. The men were systematically castrated to prevent them from reproducing and this inhumane practice resulted in a high death rate: six out of 10 people died from their wounds in castration centers. The Arab slave trade also targeted African women and girls, who were captured and deported for use as sex slaves."

"According to the work of some historians, the Arab slave trade has affected more than 17 million people. In the Saharan region alone, more than nine million African captives were deported and two million died on the roads. This despicable phenomenon was legitimized by Islam." "Islam never banned the practice, and it persisted as an important institution in the Muslim world through to the modern era. Most slaves were imported from outside the Muslim world. As of 2001, instances of modern slavery persisted in areas of the Sahel, and several 21st-century terroristic jihadist groups have attempted to use historic slavery in the Muslim world as a pretext for reviving slavery in the 21st century."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...2015%20million.
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Old 11-07-2023, 07:57 AM
 
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Why don't you represent some numbers? The Arabs targeted the Jews. The Palestinian Jews were targeting the British to get them to honor their commitment to establish a Jewish Homeland as per the 1917 Balfour Declaration.
The Jewish people who moved to the area engaged in violence in order to clear the area of Arabs , surely you don’t deny this ?

Some did buy land from the ottomans but I’m referring to the few decades prior to 1948
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Old 11-07-2023, 07:59 AM
 
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Speculation.

Every death on both sides to date is 100% the fault and responsibility of HAMAS. Period. Israel is completely blameless and is simply responding as necessary due to what HAMAS put into motion with their sinister sneak attack massacre. HAMAS owns every death on both sides and ALL of the suffering. Every bit of it, lock stock and barrel. It is all 100% on them. All of it.
Pure ideological dogma
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Old 11-07-2023, 08:01 AM
 
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Until then no country called Israel existed.

So Palestine was homeland for a diversity of people.

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One of the two envisaged States proclaimed its independence as Israel and in the 1948 war involving neighbouring Arab States expanded to 77 percent of the territory of mandate Palestine, including the larger part of Jerusalem. Over half of the Palestinian Arab population fled or were expelled.

Why do you suppose the Arab population fled? Since that time their lives have been one of imprisonment and oppression.
Your retelling of events leaves some things out - the "77%" that you were talking about reflects lands not all seized by Israel, but by Jordan and Egypt, all the result of the 1947-48 War of Israel Independence. Let's also note that the Arab population of Palestine, as well as the Arab States, were the instigators in that war that was designed to exterminate and massacre all Jews.

Again, I know from another thread I contribute to that you are having some issues. Don't transfer your grief into hate. It's unhealthy.

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Old 11-07-2023, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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I dont believe the numbers of dead as given by the health ministry which is controlled by Hamas, they could be true but they could also be propaganda, how do they know?
Have you seen gaza lately and the level of devastation, lack of sanitary conditions and lack of resources. It is likely the death toll is higher than reported not lower.
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Old 11-07-2023, 08:24 AM
 
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so you are concerned about....
See the last sentence of my post above....I think we let her disengage and stop responding to her. It appears there are other things going on with her beyond the scope of this topic.
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Old 11-07-2023, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Pure ideological dogma
yes this type of hard black and white mentality in a nuclear age would not bode well at all for the future of humanity. At all costs we need to destroy the enemy, even if it means our own destruction basically.
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Old 11-07-2023, 08:33 AM
 
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yes this type of hard black and white mentality in a nuclear age would not bode well at all for the future of humanity. At all costs we need to destroy the enemy, even if it means our own destruction basically.
About as nuanced as a car bumper sticker

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