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Old 08-02-2023, 09:09 PM
 
Location: West Midlands, England
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Generally speaking how do African Americans view Jamaica, it’s culture, and people? Seems like you both have so much in common in terms of history, music and culture, and are also fairly close geographically as well, yet you don’t often see or hear the two cultures referenced in the same context, so it’s something I thought to ask.
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Old 08-03-2023, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Generally speaking how do African Americans view Jamaica, it’s culture, and people? Seems like you both have so much in common in terms of history, music and culture, and are also fairly close geographically as well, yet you don’t often see or hear the two cultures referenced in the same context, so it’s something I thought to ask.
Jamaica had close links to Britain, which is why many British cities have notable Jamaican populations in relation to the Windrush generation who came to work in Britain, and which is why you have events such as the Notting Hill Carnival.

The culture also extended to cricket and the famous West Indies cricket team, as well as other cultural areas such as music (reggae) and the increasing popularity of Jamaican and Caribbean cuisine.

In terms of the US, they have Jamaican populations however they are often overshadowed by Cubans, Puerto Ricans and other more Latin based cultures from the Caribbean region.

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Old 08-03-2023, 01:23 PM
 
Location: West Seattle
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The NYC and Boston areas have a lot of both groups, so you could try those forums.
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Old 08-03-2023, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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AAs generally view Jamaicans and JA culture positively, especially the younger generations, thanks to reggae & dancehall. Older generations of West Indian immigrants talk about being called “coconut” in school but that doesn’t seem to be the case much anymore. I listen to Jamaican radio in NY and I do hear them disparaging AA culture sometimes, but I think that more a reaction to feeling JA and the WI are copying American culture through internet/social media, watering down what makes WI culture unique.
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Old 10-05-2023, 10:55 PM
 
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Anyone else?
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Old 10-05-2023, 11:05 PM
 
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Generally speaking how do African Americans view Jamaica, it’s culture, and people? Seems like you both have so much in common in terms of history, music and culture, and are also fairly close geographically as well, yet you don’t often see or hear the two cultures referenced in the same context, so it’s something I thought to ask.
Do they really have that much in common? I don't see it. The music, culture, food etc all seem pretty different to me.
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Old 10-06-2023, 02:57 PM
 
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Even history is very different.

One aspect of history in the Americas is slavery. There was no slavery in Jamaica after 1838, but many African Americans were still subjected to slavery until 1865. That's a little more than a generation. Then there is the issue of racial segregation that existed in much of the USA until 1964 (and I think did more harm to race relations than slavery itself) while Jamaicans never knew such a thing. Now, it's true that African Americans were part of an independent American country since 1776 (so technically, the slaves were first American slaves and second African Americans) while Jamaicans didn't become an independent country until 1962.

In terms of language, they both speak English but there is a but. Jamaican English and American English as instantly distinguished. Add to that the other dialect that Jamaicans speak unless you grew up with them, chances are you have no idea what they are saying. This includes African Americans.

Those are just two aspects out of many more.

This doesn't mean there are no similarities between the two, but I think there are more differences. Don't think that because most Jamaicans and most African Americans are black, that they must be one and the same.

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Old 10-07-2023, 07:34 AM
 
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Even history is very different.

One aspect of history in the Americas is slavery. There was no slavery in Jamaica after 1838, but many African Americans were still subjected to slavery until 1865. That's a little more than a generation. Then there is the issue of racial segregation that existed in much of the USA until 1964 (and I think did more harm to race relations than slavery itself) while Jamaicans never knew such a thing. Now, it's true that African Americans were part of an independent American country since 1776 (so technically, the slaves were first American slaves and second African Americans) while Jamaicans didn't become an independent country until 1962.

In terms of language, they both speak English but there is a but. Jamaican English and American English as instantly distinguished. Add to that the other dialect that Jamaicans speak unless you grew up with them, chances are you have no idea what they are saying. This includes African Americans.

Those are just two aspects out of many more.

This doesn't mean there are no similarities between the two, but I think there are more differences. Don't think that because most Jamaicans and most African Americans are black, that they must be one and the same.

This is wild to say. Getting strong Larry Elder vibes from you.
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Old 10-07-2023, 03:25 PM
 
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This is wild to say. Getting strong Larry Elder vibes from you.
Not the topic of conversation, but slavery existed in every country in the Americas (some during colonial times as the case of Jamaica and others well into as independent countries as the case of the USA), yet racial segregation became a government backed policy in only a handful of countries with the USA being among them. It's also true that the USA is smong the most race-based countries in the Americas. Not even Jamaica is similar. They all had slavery, but they all didn't had racial segregation.
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Old 10-07-2023, 03:47 PM
 
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Not the topic of conversation, but slavery existed in every country in the Americas (some during colonial times as the case of Jamaica and others well into as independent countries as the case of the USA), yet racial segregation became a government backed policy in only a handful of countries with the USA being among them. It's also true that the USA is smong the most race-based countries in the Americas. Not even Jamaica is similar. They all had slavery, but they all didn't had racial segregation.

That is irrelevant as most slavery was not solely based on race as it were in the Americas.

African countries utilized slaves to build their empires after they conquered a country, not because they believed they were racially superior and felt it was in their destiny to rule over a different race of people.

Like, you honestly believed not being able to enter a barbershop is tantamount to having your genitals mutilated, sexually/physically assaulted, kept emaciated and overworked.
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