Europe's Immigration Problems (price, statistics, housing)

[1979]

A major newspaper here in New England stated that fascism, neo-nazi's are making there presence known now more than ever since WWII in countries like Italy, Hungary, Czech Rep and Finland. Natives are so sick of seeing what is happening to their countries.

[Winston Smith]

Originally Posted by averagejoe76

Europe has some countries that are handling Immigration allright and..
Some that are doing horribly.
You could see the french become a minority in their own country in 20-30 years.

I agree that the different European countries have different immigration policies, and varying degrees of success.

Regarding France, however, it seems that they could help themselves by allowing immigrants paths to assimilation. It's my understanding that in France you could be second or third generation French-born of immigrant parents or grandparents and still be considered a foreigner. I'm no expert on France, but it seems to me that if this is the case it's asking for trouble not to allow native-born French individuals assimilation just because they are children or grandchildren of immigrants. Or, maybe I'm missing some detail about French immigration policy.

[Shizzles]

Originally Posted by 1979

A major newspaper here in New England stated that fascism, neo-nazi's are making there presence known now more than ever since WWII in countries like Italy, Hungary, Czech Rep and Finland. Natives are so sick of seeing what is happening to their countries.

I would be leery of any European press on the issue of immigration. Most mainstream European news channels make Keith Olbermann look like Rush Limbaugh. As such, any and all criticism of people of color gets labeled "fascism" and "naziism" over there. I think the amount of people who genuinley are fascists are few, but are sick of the special treatment newcomers recieve. But the socialist-laden politics/media over there makes our PC issues look minor by comparasion...

[Winston Smith]

Originally Posted by Shizzles

I would be leery of any European press on the issue of immigration. Most mainstream European news channels make Keith Olbermann look like Rush Limbaugh. As such, any and all criticism of people of color gets labeled "fascism" and "naziism" over there. I think the amount of people who genuinley are fascists are few, but are sick of the special treatment newcomers recieve. But the socialist-laden politics/media over there makes our PC issues look minor by comparasion...

Sure wish you could provide some examples. In my experience, European news outlets are as varied as the continent itself. Most of the state-run agencies are quite scientific and balanced. In Norway and Sweden the state-run outlets operate under legal charters that keep the government out of management and programming decisions, as it relates to news, at least. One thing I like about European media is that you usually know where they stand on the liberal-conservative scale. London's The Guardian is liberal. On the other hand, conservative media outlets the continent over are unabashedly outspoken about their bias, such as the Danish paper that published the now infamous Mohamed cartoons.

European Newspapers and News Sites

[Soju]

Originally Posted by Raggy dee Ann

I'm always amazed at how so many complain about immigration in their country, but want to go to another country as an immigrant

Its because most illegal immigrants are unskilled and often leetch off their host country while people like Minniemouse is well educated and speaking of legal immigration. Get the difference?

[Huckleberry3911948]

the similarities of france and america are striking. what baffles me is that the unions are fighting for french jobs and nobody else is. the immigrants are physically attacking the student marching for unions. here we have nothing but contempt and disinterest for labor movement.
since when is the government and corporations going to treat us fairly? where did that come from?
have these college kids figured out yet that mommy is not going to be around and that these 23 million illegals are guna take their future jobs? how many kids with a 120k student loan have to take a kelly girl temp job after graduation to figure this one out. america needs labor unions.

[Katiana]

Originally Posted by Full-Blooded American

Why does Europe need immigrants? Is Europe now a "continent of immigrants"? How did European civilization survive for thousands of years without immigrants?

The birthrate in many European countries is below replacement levels, so they need workers. Just like in the US, sometimes the immigrants do jobs the native-born won't do.

[Minato ku]

Originally Posted by cre8

Regarding France, however, it seems that they could help themselves by allowing immigrants paths to assimilation. It's my understanding that in France you could be second or third generation French-born of immigrant parents or grandparents and still be considered a foreigner. I'm no expert on France, but it seems to me that if this is the case it's asking for trouble not to allow native-born French individuals assimilation just because they are children or grandchildren of immigrants. Or, maybe I'm missing some detail about French immigration policy.

The so called "native french" are for a large part descendant of the Italian, Spanish, Polish, German immigration before the WWII.

There is a lack of acceptance by the old people and foreigners of the "non white french" idea (We could say that it is between 10 and 20% of the population).
Why foreign newspaper use the term immigrant for descrived the gang youth, they are born in France and have the french nationality.

There is alos a lacks of representation of the average non white french.
The so called public housing "ghetto" are no way the average for minority in France, it is like showing a ghetto in Detroit and saying that it is the average of black american.

Honestly if we speak of integration in France it is a success, of course it is not prefect especially the job discrimination problem.

There is no a proper problem of immigration in France, it is mostly a problem of a unprevillegied lowerclass, bad cops and an income segegration.

[LINCOLNSHIRE]

Originally Posted by Galloway

Umm.......Italy is close to Morroco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Poor Balkans countries like Albania, Bosnia, etc.

Very true...You could have added Spain, France, and Greece to Italy too..But of course there are no boats in North Africa..

[averagejoe76]

There is no a proper problem of immigration in France, it is mostly a problem of a unprevillegied lowerclass, bad cops and an income segegration.[/quote]

Too many Immigrants who wish to create a smaller version of the..
Country they are from inside France is a problem.
France will fix the problem or deal with the consequence.
Perhaps France becoming the first country where the natives are..
Outnumbered will provide an example to other European countries.