Europe's Immigration Problems (spring break, unemployment, wages)

[Kumud]

All this blah blah blah to meet the minimum character requirements but what I really want to say is EXCELLENT POST!!

Originally Posted by Minato ku

The so called "native french" are for a large part descendant of the Italian, Spanish, Polish, German immigration before the WWII.

There is a lack of acceptance by the old people and foreigners of the "non white french" idea (We could say that it is between 10 and 20% of the population).
Why foreign newspaper use the term immigrant for descrived the gang youth, they are born in France and have the french nationality.

There is alos a lacks of representation of the average non white french.
The so called public housing "ghetto" are no way the average for minority in France, it is like showing a ghetto in Detroit and saying that it is the average of black american.


Honestly if we speak of integration in France it is a success, of course it is not prefect especially the job discrimination problem.

There is no a proper problem of immigration in France, it is mostly a problem of a unprevillegied lowerclass, bad cops and an income segegration.

[renault]

Europe is quickly turning into another third-world. This is why the USA should never, ever let Europe try to dictate how the USA should be run. The USA, for all its own problems, is doing a lot more right than wrong.

[Galloway]

by the way, is this problem just in western first world Europe, or all over?

by western i mean Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Holland, Belgium, UK, Switzerland, Scandinavia.

[Munich]

It's not just the immigration but also the birth rate. white european women have about 1.2 children in their life (that's a very rough number I know), whereas most Arab immigrants have three, four, five or six children. Check the birth statistics of France for example, they are very detailed in that aspect.

One doesn't have to be a genius to see why the white European population is shrinking.

[la monumental]

ireland has the third or second highest rate percentage of immigrants apparently. in fact i heard they made change to constitution because so many people from africa arrived had children and become citizen.

[varduren]

Originally Posted by Raggy dee Ann

I'm always amazed at how so many complain about immigration in their country, but want to go to another country as an immigrant

you have NO idea how right u r. in britain, they ALWAYS complain about how no one wants to learn english or adopt their ways and so on, then go off and colonise spain and other places and dont even learn the language!

[albion]

I have to take you to task renault, yes I'm fed up with the stream of illegal immigrants coming into Europe & you suggested that America is better at handling illegal immigration.

Did you know renault, that in certain cities in America illegals are protected!
In these cities city officials & police officers are banned from asking people about their immigration status. I'm talking about cities like,

San Francisco
Los Angeles
Chicago
New York
Washington DC

and there are more cities in America that have the same policy.
Europe may be not be very affective in combating illegal immigration, but we don't have Sanctuary cities that encourage it.

[leaana]

i don't necessarily agree with mass immigration but i think countries should allow for some immigration under certain conditions.

the world isn't improved by just a few migrating to a developed country. it's trade and education. i don't respect those who migrate to other countries soley for their own benefit. some are desperate which is understandable but it would be so much better if they would educate themselves as well as be allowed to be educated and go back to their home countries and help their own people and country. this way the whole world can be improved. america is not necessarily improved nor is the world.

i think it's just selfish and traitorous to just think of yourself and who would want a citizen like that with no sense of real loyalty or ethics.

granted, as like a self-fulfilling prophecy those who want them out are in no way for the most upstanding or even realistic reasons. it's just selfishness but mass immigration only benefits for the sake of exchange of ideas and trade. people need to go back to their home countries and improve thier lot. unfortunately, this itself can become a hurdle because of immigration laws. in the end, the whole system is plagued with problems. people need help so if you don't want them in your country, maybe you should send help instead to build that country.

it would be great if the world was just full of people who knew how to get along and appreciate everyone but that is not the case. if it wasn't for the missionary types and those with a global and "human" mindset on improving 'human' life rather than their pathetic and shallowly selfish 'my football team is better than yours' agenda, it would be so much worse.

[effie g-tad]

Originally Posted by Galloway

By the time Europe finally decides to do something about this problem it will already be too late. The spineless Euro politicians have to lose their political correctness and put laws in place that do not allow immigrants in.

and precisely why would you demand such little differentiated harshness?

[effie g-tad]

Originally Posted by bluepacific

This is actually an issue that all industrialized wealthy countries are having a problem with, not just Europe and North America. Like America, Europeans DON'T teach their kids a healthy work ethic at home and hence the attitude of looking down their nose towards the so-called meanial labor jobs. Those jobs have to be done by someone. So ALL governments realize that no matter, legal/illegal , they need the workers badly or the country/economy falls apart. There's nothing wrong with vocational training for trade type jobs. I mean work is work and you just do it. But somehow certain types of work in the wealthy countries is a stench to many sense of smell. They ALL expect to get free government handouts for schooling, then government handouts for job placement, but only in cushy IT/Office Jobs, or even Factory Union jobs with all the mouth watering benefits/handouts.

Then the racist attitudes come out of the woodwork when the Natives of any of these countries notice the cultural differences in various nieghborhoods and they resent it. In the age of the "We Are The World-Multiculturalism" philosophy pimped by secular progressive governments, here's an about face attitude from a Swedish Judge who deals with immigration issues and says 90% of her colleagues feel the same way as she does about multiculturalism as a failure.

The Local - Judge wrote anti-immigrant letters to Prime Minister

The Judge is a one Bodil Schibli who sat on Panels which passed judgements in a number of cases involving immigrants, including twelve cases in 2007.

She's being called on the carpet for writting Anti-Immigrant letters to the Swedish Prime Minister, Fredrik Reinfeldt imploring the government to "protect it's own people" against, "these fanatical immigrants, who really have no reason to be here, other than to be supported by taxpayers". She also wrote that Islam should be "forbidden from further spreading in our country".

Wow! How interesting! And we have been told this is the typical United States attitude. But lets be fair and honest here, it's the attitude inside of every well off country

well observed and described, imho. (trust that!)

will someone care to read our post ww2 history?
will someone see the (justified) price for "nation building" and development aid, and how it is supposed to be paid?

in germany, the word immigration is not used at all.
but we have lots of people with a so-called migratory background.

i remember the days after the berlin wall came down, and cnn shouting it out to all the world: ".... and they are welcome!!"

sounds all a bit hodge-podge, but is not.