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11-24-2008, 05:00 PM
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France is likely to have the replacement rate level in 2008. 
In an other way french are the last happy people in Europe, The 25-45 years women are the the most active in Europe (80% work). That's right France is one of most diverse country in Europe but some of most fertile region of France are some the last diverse. |
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11-24-2008, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Winston Smith
Because as economic opportunities for women rise, fertility rates decline. Economic opportunities for women in Europe are among the highest in the world.
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Did you read the article I posted?
It brought out that for some women, it's not just economic opportunities, but pressure. They feel they have to work (because most families require 2 incomes now), and let's face it, being a mom and having a career is difficult. There has to be some give, so they decide to not have children, or to have only one. I don't see that as progress for women, personally.
"In a 2006 Eurobarometer survey by the European Commission, women were asked how many children they would like to have; the result, averaged out, was 2.36 - well above the replacement level and far above the rate anywhere in Europe. If women are having significantly fewer children than they want, there must be other forces at work." |
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11-24-2008, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by orangeapple
Did you read the article I posted?
It brought out that for some women, it's not just economic opportunities, but pressure. They feel they have to work (because most families require 2 incomes now), and let's face it, being a mom and having a career is difficult. There has to be some give, so they decide to not have children, or to have only one. I don't see that as progress for women, personally.
"In a 2006 Eurobarometer survey by the European Commission, women were asked how many children they would like to have; the result, averaged out, was 2.36 - well above the replacement level and far above the rate anywhere in Europe. If women are having significantly fewer children than they want, there must be other forces at work."
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I wasn't so much making a comment on 1st-world challenges and nuances that influence family decisions as much as I was comparing modern Europe to the developing and third worlds, where birth rates tend to be higher because of limited economic opportunities. From that bigger perspective, I stand by the claim that birth rates in Europe are lower than, say, Africa, because of economic opportunities available to women. The greater the opportunities, the lower the birth rate. Wrapped up in the economic opportunities is education. Higher education levels tends toward lower fertility rates.
Yes, I did read the article you posed. The article talked about actual birth rates, but didn't talk about why they were low. I'd be interested to see analysis on exactly what causes birth rates to trend up or down.
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11-25-2008, 11:12 AM
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interesting topic
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11-25-2008, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by J Arp
Because they all have bad teeth a smell faintly of foot sweat and cheese?
Maybe it is the aging population, maybe women/couples in Europe rub a couple of brain cells together before bumping uglies? Maybe women in Europe realize that thing between their legs isn't a clown car and kids are expensive.
A couple of countries have tax breaks and other incentives for people to have kids, but I don't guess it is working.
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lol... got to ask my wife to choose a favourite of the above. |
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11-26-2008, 04:20 AM
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french are the last happy people in Europe
Are you kidding me? you mean one of the the LEAST happy!
Sucide rate is the highest in Europe, in par with Finland (where they have an issue with the long, black winter)-and much higher than the US-, traffic accidents, third behind pORTUGAL AND gREECE, highest percentage of homeless people, 10% unemployment (second in Europe after Spain, in par with Belgium)...
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11-26-2008, 08:36 AM
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Yes I mean the least happy.
It is a stupid mistake and I can't edit my previous message.
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11-26-2008, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pigeonhole
french are the last happy people in Europe
Are you kidding me? you mean one of the the LEAST happy!
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it's one of the latest survey which said this, but I don't remember the name... but seeing you, I have to say I couldn' agree more with it, I have never met someone who was whining like you.
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Sucide rate is the highest in Europe, in par with Finland (where they have an issue with the long, black winter)-and much higher than the US-,
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WRONG
Suicide rate
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traffic accidents, third behind pORTUGAL AND gREECE,
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by the european union
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highest percentage of homeless people,
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Population below poverty line (most recent) by country
Actually we have one of the lowest number of homeless people in the world....
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10% unemployment (second in Europe after Spain, in par with Belgium)...
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WRONG
List of countries by unemployment rate
Last time you asked I give you a break... frankly, I really would like but I can't, you spend your time to say so many BS......
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11-26-2008, 01:05 PM
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Sorry, but the suicide by country list you posted is for gender ratio. Here are the ones for Males and females, separately:
NationMaster - Suicide rate > Females (most recent) by country
NationMaster - Suicide rate > Males (most recent) by country
(I knew something was off with the link you posted, since I am Hungarian and I know that Hungary is always in the top 10.) |
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11-26-2008, 01:47 PM
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I'm sorry, caseras, but stick to the topic, I'm comparing France to other countries in Europe, but the data you deliver, albeit interesting, it's world comparisons: I have no doubt unemployment,homelessness , suicide rates, road accidents are much lower in France than , say, Zimbabwe or Uzbekistan....
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