North American Union (NAU) (real estate market, house, school)

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by moving123456

I could see a union with Canada possibly being a good thing, but not Mexico in my opinion.

Wow

Could you imagine an open border policy with Mexico ???

How spooky is that ???

[TylerJAX]

Originally Posted by cabolissa

Don't know about you, but things were better when I saw "Made in Mexico" on my products. Now all I see is "Made in China." I'm just sayn'.

What difference does it make(outside of the number of illegals who shouldn't be coming here in the first place) if these products were made in Mexico or China? No offense but judging from your name and position, it sounds like you are someone of Hispanic heritage; and judging from where you live it seems like you are a well off person as well(and might even stand to gain from such a union), so it's evident where your bias comes from. I'm not against free trade per se, but I don't like how the Mexican gov't views the U.S. as some sort of host to parasitically leech off of. Mexico could have been a developed country by now if it weren't for it's crooked oligarchy, racist caste system from the colonial era, the drug cartels, and dare I say the general lack of ambition among a large percentage of the populace.

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by TylerJAX

What difference does it make(outside of the number of illegals who shouldn't be coming here in the first place) if these products were made in Mexico or China? No offense but judging from your name and position, it sounds like you are someone of Hispanic heritage; and judging from where you live it seems like you are a well off person as well(and might even stand to gain from such a union), so it's evident where your bias comes from. I'm not against free trade per se, but I don't like how the Mexican gov't views the U.S. as some sort of host to parasitically leech off of. Mexico could have been a developed country by now if it weren't for it's crooked oligarchy, racist caste system from the colonial era, the drug cartels, and dare I say the general lack of ambition among a large percentage of the populace.

Well to be fair, there are alot of good qualities to be found in Mexican culture. I love the traditional closeness of many families which is sadly lacking in most family homes of European decent. But even they are being effected by the times.

As far as no ambition, I believe they often are the most ambitious inititive drive people I've met. I use to call them a culture of McGuyvers. Ever watch them work things out when they have car trouble or any other situation where lack of money demands they use their brain and figure something out. I've learned alot from them.

Perhaps you meant the word Apathetic or Apathy. I find that many cultures today experience that, but if they are downtroddened and apathetic, look at the corrupt curcumstances over which they have ZERO choice in the matter.

[emh]

Originally Posted by RangerDuke08

Paul Krugman? Who also proposed borrowing 5 trillion to stimulate the economy and perhaps destroy the dollar? This guy need to have rotten fruit thrown at him along with that Bernanke and Paulson guy who have destroyed our economy.

Ever heard the saying, "There's no free lunch in America"? The million dollar nobel prize awarded to him was a political maneuver to give extra clout to comparative advantage & "Free Trade" in order to sell it to the public, to the politicians, and maybe, worst of all, to academia. "Free" always makes stuff sound better. But is "free" really free? Free Trade, Free Bail Out Money, etc... Read the fine print. The word "free" doesn't mean what it used to. In addition to what it sounds like it's supposed to mean, there have been appended lots of caveats. Inflate the economy and prices will go up but won't relatively change in the long run. In this special scenario, low wage jobs will be created in the short run but everyone will be taxed additionally to pay for the inflation, making everyone relatively poorer. Getting taxed for creating inflation - outrageous.

The American government is already having a hard time taking care of the interests of it people (2 million jobs lost, 12 million illegals, poor system f health care, etc). Why extend it's hand? Oh so the global imperalists can make more money. There is a reason NAFTA failed, only making the rich richer and the poor poorer, a natural cause for the flow of illegal migration from South to North. The NAU would be an extension of NAFTA. Think twice before you buy into this "Free Lunch" idea, as the next thing you know you may lose your lunchbox. Unfortunately we may already be too late for that. The SPP proposes a "North American Community" by 2010. That timeline may not become a reality, but more importantly the government knows the general public is not for this idea, I believe a recent survey stated 60% of American are against it. If the dollar further inflates and American involvement in the middle-east escalates (ie., Pakistan), we may be forced on our knees to adopt a NAU sometime in Obama's 2nd term. A 51/49 Democracy is not hard these days to turn the tide from 49/51 to 51/49 in favor of government.

ABC News: Nobel Prize Winner's Recession Solution
http://www.cfr.org/content/publicati...a_TF_final.pdf

Krugman never said we should borrow $5 trillion. You should read the article you linked to. He said we COULD borrow that much IF we NEED to. Big difference between what he actually said and what you're claiming he said.
The rest of your post is a rant that has no basis in reality and isn't worth responding to. Honestly, you're claiming Krugman was given the nobel as...what...some sort of global conspiracy? Okay, go with that if it makes you feel better.

[cabolissa]

Originally Posted by TylerJAX

What difference does it make(outside of the number of illegals who shouldn't be coming here in the first place) if these products were made in Mexico or China? No offense but judging from your name and position, it sounds like you are someone of Hispanic heritage; and judging from where you live it seems like you are a well off person as well(and might even stand to gain from such a union), so it's evident where your bias comes from. I'm not against free trade per se, but I don't like how the Mexican gov't views the U.S. as some sort of host to parasitically leech off of. Mexico could have been a developed country by now if it weren't for it's crooked oligarchy, racist caste system from the colonial era, the drug cartels, and dare I say the general lack of ambition among a large percentage of the populace.

First of all, Hispanic is not a heritage. Second, you don't know my name. Actually, I'm a white chick... My grandparents were from Finland, sorry to burst your bubble. Yes, I'm in OC, and that's because that's where my parents live now (I grew up in Ventura County). My husband and I wanted to live near them while our kids were little. We're relocating to either Austin or Denver this summer because we can't afford to buy a home in this (my native) state. Not everyone in OC is rich. It's not the place you see on TV. I've lived in Germany for a year and Mexico for 5 years (hence my username). I'm a college-educated (hold a degree in Philosophy), professional Paralegal who knows how to argue both sides, so don't try to intimidate me. Educate yourself a bit about Mexico's problems (feel free to read some of my recent posts on the topic) before you broadbrush an entire government and a nation of individuals. Many of their problems are a direct result of US policy. I'm not the only one who knows this, by the way. And after having lived (and worked) there, I see the Mexican population infinitely harder working than ours.

I am NOT defending the NAU movement. I have no opinion about it either way, as I am still gathering information. Which is why I started this thread in the first place.

I was simply saying that I'd like to see some of the US jobs that Bush sent to China come back home, and for our trade to be more focused on our neighbors (both Canada and Mexico) rather than in China. This, in turn, will be better off for us in the long run! Think about it.

[Travelling fella]

If such a thing would work, first the USA would need to get down their cloud, and develop a more down to earth attitude regarding Mexico and Canada, otherwise what would be the point?

Just by reading some posts here, you can see that the average American has a really skewed view of Mexico, and of the USA too, I'm sorry if some people get offended here, but this worldwide financial crisis has shown the world that the only reason of the income disparity between Mexico and the USA is because the USA has been living on credit for a long long time, spending money they don't have and now is time to pay!

It is funny how many people actually believe that Mexico will collapse, but the problems this country faces are comparable to those the USA is facing right now, and nobody thinks that the USA will collapse, well only the nuts who wrote the article of the collapse of Mexico

The US Army War College is on the case - ready to handle "unforeseen economic collapse" and the "rapid dissolution of public order in all or significant parts of the US."

And you thought we were just dealing with a recession!

Full article: http://www.nypost.com/seven/12232008...t_o_145522.htm


As the crisis deepens, and the economic unbalances are corrected, I believe most people will develop a more down to earth attitude and the idea of a union will be plausible and necesary.

Regards!

[cabolissa]

Originally Posted by Travelling fella

If such a thing would work, first the USA would need to get down their cloud, and develop a more down to earth attitude regarding Mexico and Canada, otherwise what would be the point?

Just by reading some posts here, you can see that the average American has a really skewed view of Mexico, and of the USA too, I'm sorry if some people get offended here, but this worldwide financial crisis has shown the world that the only reason of the income disparity between Mexico and the USA is because the USA has been living on credit for a long long time, spending money they don't have and now is time to pay!

It is funny how many people actually believe that Mexico will collapse, but the problems this country faces are comparable to those the USA is facing right now, and nobody thinks that the USA will collapse, well only the nuts who wrote the article of the collapse of Mexico

The US Army War College is on the case - ready to handle "unforeseen economic collapse" and the "rapid dissolution of public order in all or significant parts of the US."

And you thought we were just dealing with a recession!

Full article: http://www.nypost.com/seven/12232008...t_o_145522.htm


As the crisis deepens, and the economic unbalances are corrected, I believe most people will develop a more down to earth attitude and the idea of a union will be plausible and necesary.

Regards!

In order for people in the US to have a more realistic view of the US, they need to TRAVEL and LIVE ABROAD to see it from the outside in. Most do not, or will not do this, and so their view is definitely skewed. A paradigm shift is impossible without a frame of reference.

By the way, this is true for people of all countries, but many other nations are more travelled due to their geography. We have to try harder to gain a global perspective.

[cobolt]

Why don't you get on the UK forum and read what they think about being a part of the EU, and many of the social problems they're experiencing as a result of unchecked immigration, etc? Or get on a few other forums and see what their countries are experiencing? Better yet, why don't you get out of your eutopian, theories and musings and LIVE abroad in some other countries and see how they do things? Would make you appreciate the US alot more and you'd realize how spoiled you are. Democracy and capitalism isn't the perfect system, but no one has yet come up with one better. There is a reason people are lining up and sneaking into this country. Get a grip.

[cabolissa]

Originally Posted by cobolt

Why don't you get on the UK forum and read what they think about being a part of the EU, and many of the social problems they're experiencing as a result of unchecked immigration, etc? Or get on a few other forums and see what their countries are experiencing? Better yet, why don't you get out of your eutopian, theories and musings and LIVE abroad in some other countries and see how they do things? Would make you appreciate the US alot more and you'd realize how spoiled you are. Democracy and capitalism isn't the perfect system, but no one has yet come up with one better. There is a reason people are lining up and sneaking into this country. Get a grip.

Why don't you read the thread from the beginning. 5 years isn't enough for you? Temper, temper. How long have you lived abroad?

[Travelling fella]

Originally Posted by cabolissa

Why don't you read the thread from the beginning. 5 years isn't enough for you? Temper, temper. How long have you lived abroad?

LOL like I told you, most people still live in their bubble of the most awesome country in the world unrivaled by no one *sigh*

if the USA keeps asleep while the rest of the world is changing, things might be very different when the dream ends.

However, Obama seems like a different president, without that blind arrogance that bush had, maybe things will get movin'

btw the UK is just another smug, we don't need no one country, quick to complain about the EU but slow to recognize it's advantages