North American Union (NAU)

[skrazzle]

Originally Posted by Travelling fella

I lived and worked in the USA, trust me I know it well, and I have to say that in many things I really admire the country.

But, as I admit that the US is superior to Mexico in organization, economics, military, government, size of territory, infrastructure, US can't compete with Mexico in history or culture there is simply no point of comparison. Mexico has been the home of surprising and ancient cultures, and her history goes back to thousands of years, not just a couple of centuries, comparing locations or things to see and do is difficult, this is something where both countries are even, so it really depends on the taste.

Yet in living standards I have to say that it really depends on your socio/economic level and what are you seeking in life, Mexico has a very good life quality to offer if you are well educated and have marketable skills, and I mean really good life quality, less stress, less work, more time for enjoyment. Besides this is one of the 5 countries in the world classified as megadiverse because of it's environments and lifeforms, there are a lot of environments in Mexico you can't find in the USA (or in other parts of the world for that matter) you can have pretty much any lifestyle you want if you know how to play your cards right here. (guess what my job is hehe)

Now, if money and material things are your thing, then you are right, no other country in the world can't compare to the USA, some come close but no one compares in that area, that's the reason many people leave Mexico seeking a better life in the USA, but not all people falls prey of the allure of materialism, we will have to leave everything behind when we die anyway.

And the remaining 90% of the population of this country seems to think the same, and remain living here, many Americans think this too, guess why Mexico is the country with the biggest expats population.

Now returning to the OP, I believe that both countries could gain much from such a union, both countries are already very dependent on each other.

But that's my opinion.

regards!

I'd say the history is debatable. It comes down to ones own opinion.

Now no doubt about it the Aztecs have an amazing history.... I love it... i'm a history nerd.... and mexico itself has a lot of interesting history, especially in my opinion the parts intertwined with the US..

It is unfortunate so little is known of the history of the US Native Americans. However what is known about them is fascinating (one of my favorite is the Iroquois Iroquois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

The American dream, the leadership and stamina of the people that has been seen through history is amazing. What was accomplished by its founders and the way of thinking was unseen at the time....

but again, it's all opinion on this point, no one is right or wrong. the debate would be easier to have a winner if it was say US history vs. Turkey, China, etc... people with a much longer and established history.

[skrazzle]

Originally Posted by dcashley

I hate it when people who are entrusted with responsibilities say, "It's not my job." Yes, it IS your job. If you don't like that, then stop pretending. ... blame others for your eating too much and getting fat...blame others for you spending up to your credit card limit...blame others for your lack of employable skills....But when people take positions of responsibility, it DOES become their job. It IS the job of every citizen to keep us safe. It IS the job of every police officer, FBI agent, CIA operative, Marine, Soldier, Seaman, and Airman. It IS the job of every politician.

People who said "not my job" back in the day, before I retired, found their employment with me cut surprisingly short.

LOL I don't see why you are having a hard time understanding what the different braches of govt are for. They all have their own part to play and while they work together on some issues, the responsibility for domestic protection would fall first mostly on the FBI and secondly on the CIA who would be there to obtain information on threats from overseas.

If it makes you feel better to keep thinking someone is trying to pass the buck then by all means continue.... but it doesn't change the facts of what agencies are responsible for what.

[Travelling fella]

Originally Posted by skrazzle

I'd say the history is debatable. It comes down to ones own opinion.

Now no doubt about it the Aztecs have an amazing history.... I love it... i'm a history nerd.... and mexico itself has a lot of interesting history, especially in my opinion the parts intertwined with the US..

It is unfortunate so little is known of the history of the US Native Americans. However what is known about them is fascinating (one of my favorite is the Iroquois Iroquois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

The American dream, the leadership and stamina of the people that has been seen through history is amazing. What was accomplished by its founders and the way of thinking was unseen at the time....

but again, it's all opinion on this point, no one is right or wrong. the debate would be easier to have a winner if it was say US history vs. Turkey, China, etc... people with a much longer and established history.

In this we agree, besides that it's all in the eye of the beholder, everything is relative, so it's impossible to compare things with cold figures and data only.

I'd say that it wasn't by chance that Mexico and the United States happen to be neighboors, everything has a cause, and each country has something the other one lacks, eventually we'll realize that, either by the easy way or the hard way, it depends on us, and such a union will happen naturally.

regards!

[b-raaad]

Originally Posted by Travelling fella

In this we agree, besides that it's all in the eye of the beholder, everything is relative, so it's impossible to compare things with cold figures and data only.

I'd say that it wasn't by chance that Mexico and the United States happen to be neighboors, everything has a cause, and each country has something the other one lacks, eventually we'll realize that, either by the easy way or the hard way, it depends on us, and such a union will happen naturally.

regards!

are you suggesting some type of destiny fulfilled by some higher being type stuff? When christopher columbus sailed over here and advanced the colonization efforts, it was prophecy fulfilled? ehhh....

and such a unioin will happen naturally i totally agree with you 200% on that one but only because that is what the powers to be want. They want the US to sink down to the level of mexico, it's a lot easier to gain control over the poor and ignorant rather than the self sufficient and educated

[Travelling fella]

Originally Posted by b-raaad

are you suggesting some type of destiny fulfilled by some higher being type stuff? When christopher columbus sailed over here and advanced the colonization efforts, it was prophecy fulfilled? ehhh....

and such a unioin will happen naturally i totally agree with you 200% on that one but only because that is what the powers to be want. They want the US to sink down to the level of mexico, it's a lot easier to gain control over the poor and ignorant rather than the self sufficient and educated

Yes, of course there is an intelligence behind this universe, the evidence is everywhere, why is it that gravity in earth is set to
g = 9.8 m/s2 = 32.2 ft/s2 if the values were different, life as we know it wouldn't exist.

there are many other scientific facts that point in this direction, as science continues to evolve so does our understanding of the universe and ourselves, yet it is a pity that science has advanced that much, but we still are trapped by our own egoes, we still have a long way to go socially and spiritually speaking.

Mexico is rising rather than sinking, life is cyclic, no one or nothing can be on top forever, and the same applies for the bottom, no one or nothing can be on the bottom forever, it's a natural cycle.

all forms of matter and energy are composed of electromagnetic waves who happen to behave exactly in the same way.





The scientists who discovered this, discovered also the law of relativity, so everything is relative, that's why you can't compare things with sheer numbers and figures.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and don't worry too much about those powers, they aren't permanent either, nothing lasts, but nothing is lost, now returning to the original OP, if we are able to see through prejudices, dogmas, education, fears, false perceptions, we'll be able to understand why the world should strive for unity instead of divisions.

regards!

[b-raaad]

Originally Posted by Travelling fella

Yes, of course there is an intelligence behind this universe, the evidence is everywhere, why is it that gravity in earth is set to
g = 9.8 m/s2 = 32.2 ft/s2 if the values were different, life as we know it wouldn't exist.

there are many other scientific facts that point in this direction, as science continues to evolve so does our understanding of the universe and ourselves, yet it is a pity that science has advanced that much, but we still are trapped by our own egoes, we still have a long way to go socially and spiritually speaking.

Mexico is rising rather than sinking, life is cyclic, no one or nothing can be on top forever, and the same applies for the bottom, no one or nothing can be on the bottom forever, it's a natural cycle.

all forms of matter and energy are composed of electromagnetic waves who happen to behave exactly in the same way.





The scientists who discovered this, discovered also the law of relativity, so everything is relative, that's why you can't compare things with sheer numbers and figures.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and don't worry too much about those powers, they aren't permanent either, nothing lasts, but nothing is lost, now returning to the original OP, if we are able to see through prejudices, dogmas, education, fears, false perceptions, we'll be able to understand why the world should strive for unity instead of divisions.

regards!

hehehe, i like your slight reference to my rocket scientist remarks, you made a funny....

i agree, in a perfect world with honest ppl in charge, the world should strive for unity because after all we are all God's creation.

But, this is not the case, and in the real world, i believe the unity of the north american countries has a hidden agenda behind it.

[researchALLwars]

travelling fella, Im sorry to say that most folks aren't aware of these frequencies you speak of- and therefore are operating on a lower one. Maybe someday soon a massive tuning will take place- instead of a pointless world war.

[Cornerguy1]

Let's stick to discussion about NAU possibilities in this one, shall we?

Discussions on broader topics or US-centered issues belong over in Politics.

[Zephora]

Originally Posted by Amazonas

About twenty five years ago, I read the economic and political outline that would make the European Union possible. About five years ago or so, I heard for the first time the proposition for a unified North American Continent. The arguments here expressed are very valid. In fact, most of you have a very good idea of what's going on and the different variables. However, it is my firm belief that proposition such as the European Union which was perceived as a conspiracy theory until it happened and the NAU is that these economic unit will not benefit at all the average citizen.

Most Europeans feel that they are paying off the inclusion of countries with lesser economic means such as Spain, Portugal, and lately the countries from the Eastern bloc. In the time I spent in the city of Utrecht, I felt the pain and distress of Dutch people being forced to find work in Germany. Unemployment is high and resources are very limited. Spain suffered a period of speculative inflation once the Euro was introduced, still felt today. The cost of living in Europe is extremely high and wages are stagnant. Obviously, the economies of France, Netherlands, Sweden, and Germany are completely different from economis like Spain, Portugal, Greece, or Romania. Therefore, someone has to pay for the benefits that the new member nations are going to enjoy. So what makes everybody think that the possible outcome of a North American Union will be any different? Including Mexico into the Union would be like the EU including Turkey as a member.

Whoever is behind these new order or whatever you want to call it, has made sure to change the way we perceive things. The wrong is good and the good is wrong. Someone mentioned the phrase shift paradigm...well that's pretty much what today's society is beign subjected to. Extreme politically correctness has disabled people to call things by their name without feeling the guilt trip. These ideas are being drilled day in and day out and such level of propaganda is definetely paying off.

By the way, those who feel that slavery is a thing of the past better think again. I see a new form of indentured servitude taking place in most part of the world right now.

Interesting post.