Can Africans rule Africa? A record of failure (crimes, buy)

[Neuling]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

The Boers technically are Africans as they are born in Africa. I believe they could rule over Africa just fine. They did a fine job when they were calling the shots in South Africa.

The Rhodesians technically are Africans and they did a fine job when they were calling the shots in Rhodesia.

I like sarcasm

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

The Boers technically are Africans as they are born in Africa. I believe they could rule over Africa just fine. They did a fine job when they were calling the shots in South Africa.

The Rhodesians technically are Africans and they did a fine job when they were calling the shots in Rhodesia.

You really need to go and read about about Africa's history and about Rhodesia. You will find that few people actually benefited. Africa was just fine before anyone came in and leached off of it.

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by pirate_lafitte

You really need to go and read about about Africa's history and about Rhodesia. You will find that few people actually benefited. Africa was just fine before anyone came in and leached off of it.

Just fine? You call not even inventing the wheel just fine?

Also...

Checking over your list of previous locations I didn't notice Rhodesia, Namibia, or South Africa anywhere on the list...

[El Rhino]

Originally Posted by pirate_lafitte

You really need to go and read about about Africa's history and about Rhodesia. You will find that few people actually benefited. Africa was just fine before anyone came in and leached off of it.

Prove it.


Sounds like they were doing A LOT better as Rhodesia than they're doing now as Zimbabwe.

Out of food, Zimbabweans eating cow dung

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by pirate_lafitte

You really need to go and read about about Africa's history and about Rhodesia. You will find that few people actually benefited. Africa was just fine before anyone came in and leached off of it.

The population of Black sub-saharan Africa prior to 1880 (the beginning of rapid colonization and colonial development) was approximately 20,000,000. Constantly kept in check by incessant tribal warfare, disease, famine, and horrible living conditions. By the 1920s the population was well over 100,000,000.

[ocean2026]

El Rhino - cow dung- yuck that stuff smells like sh--. I'm sure however it smelled better in the days before the colonials came in and messed things up. As people eat up the fertilizer however, future crops will be negatively impacted.

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by El Rhino

Prove it.


Sounds like they were doing A LOT better as Rhodesia than they're doing now as Zimbabwe.

Out of food, Zimbabweans eating cow dung

That article was from 2008. Find something from BEFORE the British invaded Zimbabwe.

I was talking way before anyone got to Zimbabwe and turned it into Rhodesia.

Kingdom of Mutapa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Torwa dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Matabeleland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The last time I read, Europe was being bombarded by famine, feudalism, war and diseases during the 14th and 15th centuries. Africa never had that problem during those times.

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

The population of Black sub-saharan Africa prior to 1880 (the beginning of rapid colonization and colonial development) was approximately 20,000,000. Constantly kept in check by incessant tribal warfare, disease, famine, and horrible living conditions. By the 1920s the population was well over 100,000,000.

Prove it.

By the way, Europe was getting hit by the plague, wars, feudalism and other problems that wiped out a third of its population during the 14th and 15th century.

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by ocean2026

Nueling correct- Although Egypt is on the African continent - I think of them as Middle East.

Pirate -correct I didn't list all the countries of Africa. You may also be right that once upon a time they did just fine by themselves.

I wonder how much validity all these historical arguments have. Take me literally - I really WONDER about this. Does a young African killing someone from a rival tribe, actually think about colonialism - is that a motivating force? OF course what can be said about some Americans ranting about immigrants when smoking and obesity hurt our economy way more than immigrants do (if at all -just depends on the study).

Are massive amounts of African internet scammers - thinking "We will get them back for slavery" or are they looking for a quick buck without the fear of their government prosecuting them... or ... or.. are they really trying to give me $10,000,000 and its my racist mentality that thinks it must be a scam? lol

I just wanted to take this from a historical perspective. I keep hearing from other people that Africa had no history or sense of civilization. I felt like I needed to do research and find out for myself.

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by pirate_lafitte

Prove it.

By the way, Europe was getting hit by the plague, wars, feudalism and other problems that wiped out a third of its population during the 14th and 15th century.

You're asking me to prove the historical population of a continent?

Prove the Earth is round...

Prove the Earth revolves around the Sun...

Prove that the Thirty Years War happened...

Prove that Europe even existed in the 14th century...


There are certain, very basic, points in a debate/discussion that both sides must accept before anything further can be done. If you're not going to accept a very basic point such as the historical population of the continent of Africa as of 1880, then I'm not even going to bother with you.

In his memoirs, Ian Smith, the last leader of Rhodesia, declared that the 1880s population of sub-saharan Black Africa was approximately 20,000,000. I would say that the word of a national leader (not a corrupt despot) is proof enough in regards to geo-politics of his region/area of expertise.